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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2672 on: October 05, 2023, 02:32:22 AM »
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In the Towner film, There’s definitely some person behind the black man (Carl Jones?) at lower west side steps. This person is either moving or attempting to display something and this at the SAME TIME that the red and white shirt element  (Lovelady?)   by the center hand rail.

So it’s improbable imo that  it’s some kind of kind of motion blur effect of Lovelady moving from west wall to center handrail position.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2672 on: October 05, 2023, 02:32:22 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2673 on: October 05, 2023, 04:46:00 AM »
After scaling and stabilizing that area, it appears as if the black gentleman against the west wall rises up possibly one step. Watch just to the left of the red clothing, it comes out from beneath the big shadow block. The orientation of those two appear to match what is seen in Hughes (except maybe the step up part) a few seconds earlier. But, still no ID on what appears to be the red shirted arm farthest east.
You may have to play it repeatedly for eye adjustments.
https://vimeo.com/870842433?share=copy

Hi Chris and Zeon, This is a mystery lady in blue carrying a camera and Rosemary Willis in white and red, running from right to left, and they end up in between Billy and Maddie but are closer to the camera on the south side of Elm Street. They add the various blue or white, and red to Hughes. Thank you both for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2674 on: October 05, 2023, 06:42:13 AM »
Michael,
I don't see any objects in Hughes, that represent what we see in Bell, relating to what appears to be the red arm sleeve.
It looks like a left arm connected to a person(maybe a step lower) who would be facing more towards the person labeled as Lovelady in Hughes.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2639.msg143009.html#msg143009

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2674 on: October 05, 2023, 06:42:13 AM »


Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2675 on: October 05, 2023, 02:12:39 PM »
Michael,
I don't see any objects in Hughes, that represent what we see in Bell, relating to what appears to be the red arm sleeve.
It looks like a left arm connected to a person(maybe a step lower) who would be facing more towards the person labeled as Lovelady in Hughes.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2639.msg143009.html#msg143009

Hi Chris, After studying this some more, it could be this mysterious lady in Hughes who is wearing a red dress, a white overcoat, and a white hat who ends up in that spot! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael


« Last Edit: October 05, 2023, 02:17:41 PM by Michael Welch »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2676 on: October 05, 2023, 03:35:38 PM »
Friends, forget Prayer Woman in Darnell for a moment. (Of forever, if you're being sensible.)

Where exactly is Prayer-Man-in-Wiegman standing?



Not on the landing, that's for sure.

PM-in-Wiegman VS. PM-in-Darnell

The positions of the respective LEFT ELBOWS tell an important story
-----------two different standing heights
-----------two different latitudes
-----------two different orientations
==========> PM-in-Wiegman standing a step or two down from the landing, and facing south out of the doorway; PM-in-Darnell standing on the landing, and turned south-east



The feet of PM-in-Wiegman are planted on a spot EAST of the spot where the feet of PM-in-Darnell are planted; PM-in-Wiegman is standing on a lower level; PM-in-Wiegman has their body facing forward out of the doorway............... yet PM-in-Wiegman is catching no more direct sunlight than PM-in-Darnell, whose body is turned such as to avoid direct sunlight.

Strange!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2677 on: October 05, 2023, 03:51:41 PM »
-----------------A laid-back Mr. Lovelady is SITTING on one of the upper steps, content with getting a glimpse of Pres. Kennedy when he passes right by the building. He has a decent enough view, as there is no one standing in front of him.

But then, without warning, and just as Pres. Kennedy is about to come into Mr. Lovelady's view, Mr. Oswald blocks his view by waving a flag--not up high, but to his side



Friends, we will never dispel the confusion that has reigned for six decades unless we attain clarity on the 'guiltocent' Mr. Oswald's impossible predicament in custody.

For us, his going out on to the front steps for the motorcade ===========> his INNOCENCE (of the crime of shooting Pres. Kennedy)

For him, his going out on to the front steps and what he did out there =============> his GUILT (of involvement in a 'pro-Castro' conspiracy)

Mr. Oswald NEVER signed up for involvement in an assassination of Pres. Kennedy. What he signed up for was involvement in a non-lethal missed-shots false-flag event. And then, once the assassination happened, he was scapegoated by those scurrying to hide the existence of, and their own involvement in, the planned false-flag event.

A lesser man would have screamed to the press about the false-flag operation. But Mr. Oswald kept his cover------------and was murdered for his pains.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2678 on: October 05, 2023, 04:15:59 PM »
Friends, we will never dispel the confusion that has reigned for six decades unless we attain clarity on the 'guiltocent' Mr. Oswald's impossible predicament in custody.

For us, his going out on to the front steps for the motorcade ===========> his INNOCENCE (of the crime of shooting Pres. Kennedy)

For him, his going out on to the front steps and what he did out there =============> his GUILT (of involvement in a 'pro-Castro' conspiracy)

By the same token.................

The Warren Gullibles could, in principle (if not necessarily in fact), have a long evidentiary wish-list granted:

-Connection of Mr. Oswald to the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle
-Authenticity of backyard photos
-Unusual behavior from Mr. Oswald on morning 11/22
-Mr. Oswald's fingerprints on long paper bag & SN box
-Mr. Oswald acting like a guilty man post-assassination
-Lies told by Mr. Oswald in custody

The problem for the Warren Gullibles is that none of these will ever be nearly enough to credibly put Mr. Oswald in that window in that building at that time with that rifle firing those shots.

Worse still, all of the above would not only fit the false-flag scenario too, it would fit it better than it ever did the LN scenario.

And that's the very best it could ever conceivably get for the poor deluded Warren Gullibles. Because from there on in, we'd be looking at all the evidence they do NOT like talking about...................
« Last Edit: October 05, 2023, 04:25:04 PM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2679 on: October 05, 2023, 06:51:46 PM »
Hi Chris, After studying this some more, it could be this mysterious lady in Hughes who is wearing a red dress, a white overcoat, and a white hat who ends up in that spot! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael



She appears to be on the south side of Elm. I believe that's her starting near the corner in Hughes, stepping up onto the curb. If she made it to the location of the red sleeve seen in Bell, it doesn't appear as if she would be tall enough to land where we see the red sleeve from Bell's pespective. imo

Here's a back/forth loop for tracking movement.