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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2160 on: February 23, 2023, 03:45:25 AM »
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So far the Red Shirt Man =Oswald  theory seems to be plausible.

No one has demonstrated  (yet) that a red shirt with such large black square grid pattern as Loveladys shirt , can appear seemingly so solid reddish brown as in Hughes film.

I’m going along with the theory so far because it does look like a bottle in the hand of Red Shirt Man (imo) in that enlarged GIF Mr.Ford posted from Hughes film.

Lovelady said  he also had gone to the 2nd floor and got a bottle of coke. The time he went up is not exactly known, but he said after he came back down and went to the Domino room, no one was in there. That’s when he then went outside to the front steps to join Sarah Stanton and Bill Shelley. ( Time approx 12;15)

Oswald was sitting in the 2nd floor lunchroom
12:15-12:17 per Carolyn Arnold, and Oswald then went down to the Domino room and was there until at least 12:25 ( seeing Jarman and Norman returning into TSBD via rear loading dock door)

How is possible that Lovelady was able to buy a coke from the 2nd floor Lunchroom , and not be seen by any office women , including Mrs Reid, then Lovelady went down to the Domino room
 saw no one there, or anywhere else on the 1st floor , between 12:00 and 12:15? Lovelady then joined Sarah Stanton and Bill Shelley by 12:15.

Possibilities:
A.  Lovelady bought his coke between 11:50-12:00 therefore was not seen by office women, and he waited somewhere other than the 1st floor until about 12:14 , allowingJarman/Norman and any others to have vacated both the Domino room as well as the entire 1st floor.

B. Lovelady was coerced or it was “suggested” that he should say he bought a coke in order to help out the WC.

If A. Then Billy Lovelady had 29 minutes to consume the contents of his coke thus he is not likely to be the Red Shirt Man in Hughes taking a drink at about 12:29:30.

Oswald , however, probably bought his coke after 12:15 or even a little later, probably just after Carolyn Arnold saw him , and when she left the 2nd floor lunchroom (12:17).

So the probability is in favor of Red Shirt man being Oswald because only about 12 minutes have elapsed from time bottle was bought about 12:17 to when Oswald went out to the steps at 12:29. Therefore some % of liquid contents still left in the bottle , being finished off at time of Red Shirt Man (Hughes film ) as well as arm and bottle raised in Altgens ( Cronkite version) no. 6 photo.(12:30)

(Note: if Option B that Lovelady never bought a coke at all, then it’s even greater probability that Red Shirt Man in Hughes film must be Oswald.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2160 on: February 23, 2023, 03:45:25 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2161 on: February 23, 2023, 12:05:00 PM »
So far the Red Shirt Man =Oswald  theory seems to be plausible.

No one has demonstrated  (yet) that a red shirt with such large black square grid pattern as Loveladys shirt , can appear seemingly so solid reddish brown as in Hughes film.

Which theme throws up a simpler explanation than the one I offered a few pages back for why the fake shadow in Wiegman had to start with Mr. Lovelady's right side rather than just with Mr. Oswald/PrayerMAN---------------the undoctored frames showed with painful clarity the pattern of Mr. Lovelady's shirt:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2162 on: February 23, 2023, 12:08:16 PM »
I’m going along with the theory so far because it does look like a bottle in the hand of Red Shirt Man (imo) in that enlarged GIF Mr.Ford posted from Hughes film.

That's just a delightful bonus, Mr. Mason----------------the PROOF that this is Mr. Oswald lies in the cross-referencing of Hughes-Bell-Towner, and the relating of this to Wiegman.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2162 on: February 23, 2023, 12:08:16 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2163 on: February 23, 2023, 12:15:01 PM »
PrayerWOMAN's head is the brighter section behind/above Mr. Oswald/PrayerMAN's head:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2164 on: February 23, 2023, 12:32:53 PM »
Friends, this already monster thread has just played host to an historic breakthrough in the case: the exoneration of Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald as sixth-floor shooter. The Warren Gullibles are huddled down in the basement of their razed compound, telling each other to play it cool and act like nothing's happened, and maintaining sanity by comparing notes appreciatively on some of their recent crucial work ('I've done a computer model of Oswald's shoelaces'; 'Wanna read my takedown of that factoid in JFK?'; 'Here's my piece on UFOlogy kooks and how they prove Oswald's guilt').

To those rational folks just tuning in, and having far too much of a life to entertain the idea of wading through 273 pages of posts, might I suggest that you make yourself a strong coffee and start on Page 251, Reply #2007---------------that's the moment the first bulldozer arrived!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2164 on: February 23, 2023, 12:32:53 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2165 on: February 23, 2023, 07:47:43 PM »
Bell is the gift that keeps on giving-------------------------

It actually shows us a glimpse of Mr. Lovelady's head, as well as the fact that, as the limousine is passing in front of the building, he stops leaning west (which he has been doing to see past Ms. Ruth Dean [in blue] in front of him) and goes back to standing normally.

Look very closely-----------and start with the movement of Mr. Lovelady's left hand:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2166 on: February 23, 2023, 08:05:47 PM »
Now look at Towner at the exact same time (thanks to the expert sync-up by Mr. Davidson!):



We see Ms. Ruth Dean in blue, just where we'd expect to see her: just east of the center rail.

But of Mr. Lovelady's head, red shirt, white tshirt-------------which we know from the simultaneous Bell to be in full sunlight just west/behind/above her



--------------we are shown NOTHING. He has been completely blacked out.

Why? Those who blacked him out figured that no one would buy the ridiculous idea that Mr. Lovelady suddenly teleported himself up, back and across from 'his' Hughes position (on the fourth step up, far west and right behind the black man on the second step) to his Towner position in just a couple of seconds. Much better to pretend that he only moved up, back and across in the more generous allowance of seconds offered between Towner and Altgens.

Therefore: Mr. Oswald (albeit a decapitated Mr. Oswald) is left in in Towner, to deputize for the blacked-out Mr. Lovelady:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2167 on: February 23, 2023, 11:27:57 PM »
But of Mr. Lovelady's head, red shirt, white tshirt-------------which we know from the simultaneous Bell to be in full sunlight just west/behind/above her



--------------we are shown NOTHING. He has been completely blacked out.

Unless!



Is Mr. Lovelady craning his neck to see Pres. & Mrs. Kennedy??



And then he returns to his normal standing posture as the limousine draws right in front of him (i.e. Ms. Ruth Dean's hat is no longer blocking his way)



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