Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Chris Davidson]

Precisely, Mr. Davidson!

Which leaves us with two red-shirted men in the west half of the doorway:
1. Mr. Billy Lovelady
2. A slender white male in a reddish shirt over a white tshirt, apparently drinking from a bottle

Who on EARTH can #2 be?


If ONLY we had a Depository employee who
a) fits the description of #2
b) claimed to have gone outside to watch P. Parade

It's so frustratingly hard to work out.........................

Was Lovelady coerced into testifying to parallel Oswald actions?
Mr. BALL - What did you do after you went down and washed up; what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I went over and got my lunch and went upstairs and got a coke and come on back down.
Mr. BALL - Upstairs on what floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.
Mr. BALL - What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
The red shirted person in Bell(plotted) is (basically/very close) to where Lovelady? is in Hughes. That person is on the west side of the center railing and closer to the west wall opening
If the person in Hughes' coke drinking gif was Lovelady, then the red shirted person in Bell is not Lovelady.

[Alan Ford]

Where was this fellow (red sweater) during the assassination?

Are you talking about the young black man standing here beside Mr. Carl Edward Jones on the steps, Mr. Organ?

 

[Alan Ford]

Was Lovelady coerced into testifying to parallel Oswald actions?
Mr. BALL - What did you do after you went down and washed up; what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I went over and got my lunch and went upstairs and got a coke and come on back down.
Mr. BALL - Upstairs on what floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.
Mr. BALL - What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.

One certainly has to wonder, Mr. Davidson........ And I believe Mr. Lovelady may have taken on Mr. Oswald's role in his claim to have accompanied Mr. Shelley off the steps and over west.

Incidentally, Mr. Lovelady, in insisting (accurately) that he was indeed the man in the doorway in Altgens, gave false testimony when he stated he was over on the far west side of the doorway. He was misunderstanding the angle at which Mr. Altgens' photograph was taken!
 

The red shirted person in Bell(plotted) is (basically/very close) to where Lovelady? is in Hughes. That person is on the west side of the center railing and closer to the west wall opening

Are we sure about that, given Bell's POV? I've been thinking the red shirted person in Bell is at or close to the Lovelady-in-Altgens/Wiegman position (i.e. up several steps and right over by the center rail)? Cf. his relation to Ms. Maddie Reese (green arrow) in white down below in Bell.



I believe Mr. Lovelady is hidden from Hughes' view because the girl on the pedestal is in the way:



 

[Chris Davidson]

Are we sure about that, given Bell's POV? I've been thinking the red shirted person in Bell is at or close to the Lovelady-in-Altgens/Wiegman position (i.e. up several steps and right over by the center rail)? Cf. his relation to Ms. Maddie Reese (green arrow) in white down below in Bell.

Connecting back to Bell's pedestal:

[Alan Ford]

Connecting back to Bell's pedestal:

Much thanks for this, Mr. Davidson!

If it's not too much trouble, could you give us the map with the red lines going all the way back to Mr. Bell's pedestal?

 

[Jerry Organ]

There are two parallel horizontal lines that run from the tiles and across the entrance. Top horizontal line goes to the guy shielding his face. The lower horizontal line goes to Maddie Reese.

The oval area is about where "Red Shirt" stood. There are reddish blobs in that area in the Towner film, per one of your animations.

[Alan Ford]

As to height, it would seem that Mr. Lovelady, at the time of Bell, is on the same step as in the later Wiegman frames:



Altgens/early-Wiegman catches him on a higher step (to get a better view down Elm St., presumably); then he steps back down (later-Wiegman).

As to how far from the center rail he is in Bell, well let's see (drawing lines across Altgens is........ risky)

 

[Chris Davidson]

Much thanks for this, Mr. Davidson!

If it's not too much trouble, could you give us the map with the red lines going all the way back to Mr. Bell's pedestal?

 

Surely.
The first one was connecting him to the center of the pedestal.
I believe he was at the north end according to the photo, so that is where I made this connection.