Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1981 on: February 04, 2023, 12:29:46 AM »
Good observation there Mr.Ford. It would explain the shadowing of Lovelady and the bottle anomaly.

And if it can be shown by some geometry that hand raising the bottle is in the same spot as the shadow anomaly that’s would be helpful.

I ask Jerry Organ or Mr.Mytton (or other LNs) for any computer 3d models to see if this lines up correctly , since if an LN admits it works then the newly possible theoretical position of Oswald on the front steps can be established as a reasonable probability.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1982 on: February 04, 2023, 01:01:16 AM »
Remember! Mr. Oswald told Captain Fritz he wore THIS shirt to work that day:

There is no mention of what shirt Oswald wore in any of the interrogation reports.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1983 on: February 04, 2023, 10:16:22 AM »
There is no mention of what shirt Oswald wore in any of the interrogation reports.

Agent Bookhout interrogation report:



Inspector Thomas J. Kelley interrogation report:

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1984 on: February 04, 2023, 10:25:24 AM »
Good observation there Mr.Ford. It would explain the shadowing of Lovelady and the bottle anomaly.

And if it can be shown by some geometry that hand raising the bottle is in the same spot as the shadow anomaly that’s would be helpful.

I ask Jerry Organ or Mr.Mytton (or other LNs) for any computer 3d models to see if this lines up correctly , since if an LN admits it works then the newly possible theoretical position of Oswald on the front steps can be established as a reasonable probability.

Don't be so naive, Mr. Mason! The Warren Gullibles, being blinkered fanatics, will never admit to anything that might threaten their fantasy. They are propagandists, not honest brokers

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1985 on: February 05, 2023, 11:34:02 PM »
It has long been assumed by researchers on both sides of the debate that the Hughes film shows Mr. Billy Lovelady shielding his eyes from the sun at near-bottom left (=west) of the doorway, just above Mr. Carl Edward Jones---------------



I'm not so sure about that........

On 19 March 1964 Mr. Lovelady tells FBI this---------------------



The day before, Mr. Shelley tells FBI this--------------------



Standing vs. Sitting = Contradiction? Not necessarily!

Each man's statement comes not just with a clear location marker
---------"on the top step to the far right against the wall" vs. "just in front of me"
but with a clear time marker too
---------"At the time the Presidential motorcade passed the Depository building" vs. "At the time... was shot"----------,
such that the following is suggested:

Mr. Lovelady is standing (back in the shadows) in order to catch a glimpse of Pres. Kennedy as the limo passes; Mr. Lovelady sits (back) down after this, and is seated when the first shot rings out; Mr. Lovelady immediately returns to his feet and tries to see what's going on down the street (he is captured in this posture in Altgens)

Neither Mr. Lovelady nor Mr. Shelley puts Mr. Lovelady anywhere near the man in red seen in the Hughes film:



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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1986 on: February 05, 2023, 11:45:37 PM »
The figure whose praying-like hands posture earned the sobriquet 'Prayer Man' (and whom I believe to be Mrs. Pauline Sanders) seems to be visible back in the shadows in the Weaver photograph (taken as JFK is just turning on to Houston St):



Now look how, by the time the limo is turning on to Elm St., a new figure (man in red) has appeared on the scene, and is now standing just behind Mr. Carl Edward Jones + in front of 'Prayer Man':



Is this man in red Mr. Oswald, who has left it until the very last minute to come out (holding his Coke) through the glass door and watch the P. Parade?



Everyone's eyes are fixed on the approaching limo, and so Mr. Oswald's arrival goes unnoticed..........

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1987 on: February 08, 2023, 06:39:43 AM »
Yes, There appears to be  too many Billy Loveladys in multiple places.

At this point in time of the Hughes film , would not  Lovelady have likely finished his coke since he had gotten it earlier than 12:15.

Oswald on the other hand having just bought a coke after he  went up to 2nd floor lunchroom about 12:27 (from Domino where he had observed Norman and Jarman returning) , would still probably have a partly filled bottle at time of12:29:30.

So if some computer imaging program can determine that reddish shirt man raising hand up and down has bottle in the hand, and that the shirt cannot very probably be Loveladys shirt because the square grid pattern is too small to match, then it is high probable to be Oswald with partly open reddish brown shirt.

And can there be any match of the white T-shirt as being more similar to Oswald’s looser  T-shirt than Loveladys tighter neck T- shirt ( as per man on 6th floor resembling Lovelady with long sleeve white shirt presumably Lovelady having shed his flannel shirt?

Note: Would not Oswald have had to pass by in front of PM to get to the west side part of front steps?