Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1932 on: September 17, 2022, 03:15:01 PM »
Well!

As regular tuners-in to this station will know, I believe that there may be a simple but bombshell explanation for Mr Billy Lovelady and Mr Bill Shelley's having lied and lied and lied about their post-assassination movements:

The man who accompanied Mr. Shelley down to the edge of the railroad yard and stood around with him for several minutes watching the excitement, before reentering the Depository via the west door, was not Mr. Lovelady but Mr. Oswald.

On this scenario, Mr. Oswald has------like Mr. Shelley------already left the entrance by the time of Darnell.

He MAY POSSIBLY even be the fellow passing out Mr. Danny Arce here in the Couch film:



Skeptic: 'Nah, too bulky for Oswald!'

Moi: 'Well, we don't KNOW what upper garment Mr. Oswald was wearing at the time of the assassination. It may have been just the white tshirt. It may have been his reddish-brown shirt (NOT the arrest shirt!) over the white tshirt. Or! It may have been the gray FLANNEL ('wool-looking') JACKET which Mr. Buell Wesley Frazier recalled seeing him wear to work that morning.'

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1933 on: September 17, 2022, 03:23:44 PM »
Skeptic/Warren Gullible/Lunchroom Gullible: 'But Oswald told a reporter he was inside the building at the time of the shooting!'

Moi: 'Nope, he said he was in the building at the time.'

Skeptic/Warren Gullible/Lunchroom Gullible: 'Okay, but that rules out his being in the doorway!'

Moi: 'Nope----------the enclosed front part of the building is still part of the building. Mr. Oswald went outside to watch the P. Parade, but he did not leave the actual building and go out onto the street.'

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1934 on: September 17, 2022, 03:29:05 PM »
Skeptic/Warren Gullible/Lunchroom Gullible: 'Ha ha! There is zero evidence of Oswald in the doorway!'

Moi: 'There is zero evidence that the shadow down Mr. Billy Lovelady in Wiegman has a natural explanation.'

Skeptic/Warren Gullible/Lunchroom Gullible: 'So what? There is still zero evidence of Oswald in the doorway!'

Moi: 'The fact that a fake shadow has been added down Mr. Lovelady is evidence that something in that doorway is being hidden.'

Skeptic/Warren Gullible/Lunchroom Gullible: 'Prove it's Oswald!'

Moi: 'Offer us an alternative explanation for why the 'investigating' authorities would have felt the need to put a fake shadow down Mr. Lovelady.'

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1935 on: September 17, 2022, 11:00:37 PM »
Everything--------on my scenario----------flowed from the simple fact that, within a very few hours of the assassination, the 'investigating' authorities knew that Mr. Oswald was up in the building's front entrance for the assassination.

They had to act fast, and they did, cobbling together a story they HOPED but could not be CERTAIN would hold over time.

They COULD have put 'I was on the sixth floor' in Mr. Oswald's mouth in the interrogation reports, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

They COULD have had Officer Baker/Mr. Truly encounter Mr. Oswald on, say, the fifth floor with a rifle in his hand, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

They COULD have gotten a controlled witness (or three!) to securely ID Mr. Oswald as the sixth-floor shooter, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

They COULD have faked up a photo of Mr. Oswald firing from the sixth-floor window, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

They COULD have faked the results of the paraffin test on Mr. Oswald's cheek, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

A story had to be created that catered to TWO different scenarios:
a) Mr. Oswald as sixth-floor shooter
b) Mr. Oswald as in the doorway

Enter: second-floor lunchroom story--------------a story designed to be physically possible on both scenarios.

Does anyone believe that Mr. Oswald, in interrogation, was not asked where EXACTLY he was at the time of the assassination?

It's a given that he was, right?

Well.......... This went one of four ways:

a) Mr. Oswald gave a specific location (e.g. doorway; domino room; second-floor lunchroom; upper floor)

b) Mr. Oswald refused to give a specific location

c) Mr. Oswald said he couldn't give a specific location because he did not hear any shots and so did not know for sure when the shooting took place

d) Mr. Oswald gave a specific location, but then changed his story under further interrogation.

RE. a) above: Not ONE of the interrogation reports sees fit to tell us SPECIFICALLY where Mr. Oswald said he was

RE. b) above: Not ONE of the interrogation reports sees fit to tell us that Mr. Oswald REFUSED to give a specific location

RE. c) above: Not ONE of the interrogation reports sees fit to tell us that Mr. Oswald said he COULD NOT speak to his specific location

RE. d) above: Not ONE of the interrogation reports sees fit to tell us that Mr. Oswald CHANGED his claimed location under further interrogation.

It's very simple: Mr. Oswald claimed he was out on the front steps to watch the P. Parade. Because this claim was known to be true, it COULD NOT be reflected in the official interrogation reports. However, precisely BECAUSE it was known to be true, no OTHER claimed specific location could be put in Mr. Oswald's mouth.

Hence the VERY WEIRD silence of the official interrogation reports on Mr. Oswald's answer to the single most important question put to him in all the interrogations: Where were you when the shooting happened?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1936 on: September 21, 2022, 12:07:26 AM »
Friends, if (as I now believe, though subject to publication of further images from Darnell) the PM=LHO has gone the way of the old AltgensDoorwayman=LHO claim, then we ought to reflect on the massive importance of both claims in the history of JFK research:

They motivated intense scrutiny of the Depository doorway and its occupants.

Without the DoorwayMan theory, Mr. Billy Lovelady and his lies would not have become such a focus of researchers' attention over the years.

And without the PrayerMan theory, this attention on Mr. Lovelady (and on Mr. Shelley, as on others) would not have been intensified to the point where new insights were achieved, including the unassailable fact that the shadow down Mr. Lovelady's right side in Wiegman is naturalistically impossible. Furthermore, without the PrayerMan theory, Mr. Bart Kamp would not have been motivated to achieve what is perhaps the single most important archival find in the history of the case:



POTENTIALLY most importantly of all (IMO!), the PrayerMan theory MAY have led to Mr. Oswald's true location in that doorway being finally pinpointed:



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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1937 on: September 21, 2022, 01:53:49 AM »
One thing does kinda puzzle me..............

When Prayer Man was first raised (back in 2013) Mr. Gary Mack gave as his view that Prayer Man was probably Mr. Billy Lovelady, then probably Mr. Bill Shelley (i.e. anybody but Mr. Oswald). Silly suggestions both, but that by the bye. When exactly did the Sixth Floor Museum first acquire the first-gen copy of the Darnell film, the one that visitors have been able to view in recent times? Reason I ask is, IF Mr. Mack had access to this copy back in 2013, then he would presumably have taken a look-------being by that time an Oswald-Did-It true believer, and, in his capacity as a well-paid employee of the Sixth Floor Museum, notoriously anxious to quash any notion that Mr. Oswald was anywhere other than at the SN window at the time of the shooting. After all, he DID take the trouble of contacting Mr. Buell Wesley Frazier to ask him about it (at the behest of another Oswald-Did-It true believer, Mr. John Mytton). And IF Mr. Mack did take a look and saw what we have now seen of the neck cut of the figure's upper garment, he could have (and, knowing him, would have been only too delighted to have) told everyone about it and saved us all a lot of trouble. Instead he seems to have accepted that Prayer Man was indeed a male.................

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1938 on: September 21, 2022, 03:21:51 AM »
PM is not likely Pauline Sanders because Sanders located herself at the EAST side of the front landing and at one point Sarah Stanton was beside her. Stanton we think then moved away from Sanders down a few steps and just east of Billy Lovelady on the east side of the center handrail. Stanton is supposedly the white fluffy shirt person with both hands raised shielding her face from sun.

PM is not likely Mrs Reid because Reid said she was standing NEXT to Mr.Campbell at the time the shots were fired.

Mr. Campbell at the time of shots fired was standing out on the sidewalk near the curb of Elm st. He can be seen in the Weigman film on the curb and beside him is a woman who appears to be older woman

Carolyn Arnold was supposedly nearby Mrs Reid out on the sidewalk in front of TSBD from where Carolyn supposedly looked back towards the TSBD entrance steps approx 12:25 and saw Oswald  standing in the front  lobby ( thru the glass partition wall)

Now if Arnold were PM then was Carolyn Arnold only 5’3” tall?