Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1925 on: August 17, 2022, 07:23:38 AM »
What about all those people going UP the steps? They are looking TOWARDs PM so can it be still probable that those persons would not remember seeing Oswald.

No one has ever  come forward and has claimed to either be the PM person or ID this person.

Possible explanations:

1. Anxiety of the event caused observation paralysis .
2. Someone saw Oswald but knew ( or still knows) it was dangerous to rock the boat after Oswald was shot  dead.
3. PM was some non TSBD person who had just randomly arrived and died before the PM figure became more defined thru processing the negatives.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1926 on: September 15, 2022, 11:26:48 PM »
This frame from Darnell has been doing the rounds on the internet. I cannot vouch for its integrity, though it does go wider than previous frames I have seen (I've never seen the suited man in the background on the far right of frame before).

If this frame is indeed representative of what authenticated clearer Darnell frames would show, then (as Mr James Hackerott, who has inspected the version in the Sixth Floor Museum, has before argued) the cut of the upper garment in the chest/neck area of 'Prayer Man' does not seem favorable to the hypothesis that this is Mr Oswald-----------looks more like a woman...................

(Note: please ignore the red arrow, which was added by someone else to illustrate a different issue!)



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Friends, for clarification!

1. I came across the above Darnell frame in a post made by Mr Bart Kamp 1 June 2022. Here's the 'home' of the image: https://servimg.com/view/19524087/2490#

2. This is a DIFFERENT Darnell frame (i.e. from a different MOMENT) to the 'iconic' frame that was at the heart of the original Prayer Man claim. Therefore----------differences between the two frames can NOT be cited as evidence of alternation!

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1927 on: September 15, 2022, 11:40:56 PM »
Friends, for clarification!

1. I came across the above Darnell frame in a post made by Mr Bart Kamp 1 June 2022. Here's the 'home' of the image: https://servimg.com/view/19524087/2490#

2. This is a DIFFERENT Darnell frame (i.e. from a different MOMENT) to the 'iconic' frame that was at the heart of the original Prayer Man claim. Therefore----------differences between the two frames can NOT be cited as evidence of alternation!

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For further clarification!

I now believe that

a) Prayer 'Man' is most likely NOT Mr Oswald but possibly one of the following:
-Miss Carolyn Arnold
-Mrs Pauline Sanders
-Mrs Jeraldean Reid

b) Mr Oswald is in fact

EITHER

Just behind the glass of the front door and about to step out

OR

HERE in Wiegman, in the place where the physically IMPOSSIBLE shadow falls down Mr Lovelady-----------



-------------and (in the selfsame spot) HERE in the version of the Altgens photograph which Mr Walter Cronkite showed to the American public the evening of 11/22/63:



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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1928 on: September 15, 2022, 11:58:25 PM »
'The Darnell frame Ford has posted has been altered!'

Really? Then explain how the frame I've posted goes WIDER than previously posted frames. The man the green arrow marks out is NOT in ANY previously seen versions! This therefore CANNOT be an altered version of ANY Darnell frame previously in the public sphere----------it contains new visual information!

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1929 on: September 16, 2022, 06:08:20 AM »
If you  abandon the Oswald = PM theory, then you will have to return to an earlier theory that there was SOMEONE who resembled Oswald on the front steps whom the conspirators at FIRST thought was Oswald, but whom later found out the person was not Oswald.

Otherwise, if the Lovelady shadow anomaly is due to the necessity to blot out Oswald then would the conspirators have let Lovelady and Frazier live knowing these 2witnesses no doubt had to have seen Oswald? Even if they remained silent, could the conspirators risk them breaking their silence? 


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1930 on: September 17, 2022, 12:04:39 AM »
If you  abandon the Oswald = PM theory, then you will have to return to an earlier theory that there was SOMEONE who resembled Oswald on the front steps whom the conspirators at FIRST thought was Oswald, but whom later found out the person was not Oswald.

Otherwise, if the Lovelady shadow anomaly is due to the necessity to blot out Oswald then would the conspirators have let Lovelady and Frazier live knowing these 2witnesses no doubt had to have seen Oswald? Even if they remained silent, could the conspirators risk them breaking their silence?

Everything--------on my scenario----------flowed from the simple fact that, within a very few hours of the assassination, the 'investigating' authorities knew that Mr. Oswald was up in the building's front entrance for the assassination.

They had to act fast, and they did, cobbling together a story they HOPED but could not be CERTAIN would hold over time.

They COULD have put 'I was on the sixth floor' in Mr. Oswald's mouth in the interrogation reports, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

They COULD have had Officer Baker/Mr. Truly encounter Mr. Oswald on, say, the fifth floor with a rifle in his hand, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

They COULD have gotten a controlled witness (or three!) to securely ID Mr. Oswald as the sixth-floor shooter, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

They COULD have faked up a photo of Mr. Oswald firing from the sixth-floor window, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

They COULD have faked the results of the paraffin test on Mr. Oswald's cheek, but DIDN'T... because they KNEW that PROOF (photographic or otherwise) might yet emerge that he was in fact in the doorway at the time of the shooting.

A story had to be created that catered to TWO different scenarios:
a) Mr. Oswald as sixth-floor shooter
b) Mr. Oswald as in the doorway

Enter: second-floor lunchroom story--------------a story designed to be physically possible on both scenarios.

As for killing Mr. Frazier and/or Mr. Lovelady, that would have been crazy extreme. Much better to satisfy themselves, as they evidently did, that neither of those two (or indeed Mr. Shelley) would talk (after having some pressure applied).

Believe you me, Mr. Mason, that ridiculous shadow down Mr. Lovelady, coupled with what we now know to have been Mr. Oswald's own (suppressed) claim that he "went outside to watch P. Parade", constitutes the true Rosetta Stone of this phase of the case.

The Prayer Man folks got SO much right, only they got the exact location of Mr. Oswald in that doorway wrong. But we certainly wouldn't be where we are now without their fine work......................

IMHO!

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1931 on: September 17, 2022, 12:21:45 AM »
For further clarification!

I now believe that

a) Prayer 'Man' is most likely NOT Mr Oswald but possibly one of the following:
-Miss Carolyn Arnold
-Mrs Pauline Sanders
-Mrs Jeraldean Reid


Whoever Prayer 'Man' is, btw, they are NOT Ms. Sarah Stanton. That piece of silliness was ruled out many many moons ago when a contemporaneous photograph of Ms. Stanton was published to researchers!

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