Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan J. Ford]

I think the mystery man was Bill Shelley:

Mr. SHELLEY - Yes; Mr. Truly left me guarding the elevator, not to let anybody up and down the elevator or stairway and some plainclothesmen came in; I don't know whether they were Secret Service or FBI or what but they wanted me to take them upstairs, so we went up and started searching the various floors.

At 12:34PM, Inspector Sawyer's entrance time into the TSBD, let's take Mr. Shelley's stated whereabouts into consideration ---->

Mr. BALL - Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - It would have to be 3 or 4 minutes I would say because this girl that ran back up there was down near where the car was when the President was hit.

So, even if we give him the 12:33 mark instead of the 12:34, the following actions eliminate Mr. Shelley from encountering Inspector Sawyer inside the building at 12:34PM ---->

Mr. BALL - How did you happen to see Truly?
Mr. SHELLEY - We ran out on the island while some of the people that were out watching it from our building were walking back and we turned around and we saw an officer and Truly.
Mr. BALL - And Truly?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did you see them go into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - No;

from 12:34PM on, here's an account of Mr. Shelley's actions/whereabouts away from the building, let  alone in the front foyer by the first floor storage room, stairway and passenger elevator ---->

Mr. BALL - What did you and Billy Lovelady do?
Mr. SHELLEY - We walked on down to the first railroad track there on the dead-end street and stood there and watched them searching cars down there in the parking lots for a little while and then we came in through our parking lot at the west end.
Mr. BALL - At the west end?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes; and then in the side door into the shipping room.

Again, only one TSBD male employee can account for the timing sequence (12:34PM) of coming to Inspector Sawyer's aid; however, because his identity runs counter to the horse manure we have been fed for five decades about a hasty escape to perform a bogus action clear across town at 10th & Patton his identity has to be suppressed from public consumption.

[Alan J. Ford]

Not to mention, given Mr. Shelley's statement ---->

Mr. SHELLEY - Yes; Mr. Truly left me guarding the elevator, not to let anybody up and down the elevator or stairway and some plainclothesmen came in; I don't know whether they were Secret Service or FBI or what but they wanted me to take them upstairs, so we went up and started searching the various floors.

Mr. Shelley knew the difference between a white hat ranked Inspector w/the Dallas Police Department accompanied by a couple of full uniformed dress police officers than his above observation to the contrary (plainclothesmen who could have been Secret Service and/or FBI agents for all he knew.

Again, only one TSBD male employee in that timing sequence (12:34) could account for the actions of Inspector Sawyer's "this man"... the wrongly accused was framed. The wrongly accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

*Sidebar: also let's take into account that MUCH time had passed before Roy Truly could have requested Mr. Shelley to watch the elevators and stairs (given Roy Truly was off on a phantom dash up the rear stairs w/Baker, while Mr. Shelley was still down by the railroad parking lot watching activity unfold w/Mr. Lovelady). Soooo, in essence, given their actions/whereabouts, Yes, Roy Truly could have indeed requested Mr. Shelley to watch the elevators after they reengaged at some point in the building, which was looooong after Inspector Sawyer's 12:34PM sojourn upstairs in the passenger elevator courtesy of "This man"...

[Alan J. Ford]

Gentlemen,

Last thought today...make no mistake about it, the wrongly accused was right where he said he was when President Kennedy was ambushed by a bunch of treasonous cowards. After stepping out into the crisp Autumn air to watch the P. parade, he made his way back inside during the immediate aftermath, where he was actually seen in the first floor storage room as others made their way back inside the building.

In their concerted efforts to frame him, all of the key witnesses have been spared cross examination. Roy Truly (nothing truly about him) and Marrion Baker cannot even get their stories straight. One small, yet defining example is the following of many examples...

Baker says in his testimony that he & Roy Truly were atop the roof for between 5 & 10 minutes. Yet Baker claims he saw Inspector Sawyer...

Mr. BAKER - The next thing that I noticed was Inspector Sawyer, he was on one of those floors there, he is a police inspector.
Mr. DULLES - City of Dallas Police?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. And he was on, I really didn't notice which floor he was on, but that is the first thing I saw as we descended how this freight elevator

The problem that presents here for Baker is he cannot profess to be atop the roof w/Roy Truly and yet in the same timing sequence of Inspector Sawyer's brief sojourn upstairs see the Inspector while he is suppose to be atop the roof...

Compare Inspector Sawyer's timeline sequence and note the only way for Baker to have seen him in the short 3 minute possibility is Baker would have to be lying about being atop the roof simultaneously...

Mr. BELIN. You got to the elevator, went up, looked around back there. How long did you spend up there at the top floor that the elevator took you to?
Mr. SAWYER. Just took a quick look around and made sure there was nobody hiding on that floor. I doubt if it took over a minute at the most.
Mr. BELIN. To go up and look around and come down?
Mr. SAWYER. To look around on the floor. How long it took to go up, it couldn't have been over 3 minutes at the most from the time we left, got up and back down.
Mr. BELIN. Then that would put it around no sooner than 12:37, if you heard the call at 12:34?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, sir.

Note in that brief timing sequence (12:34PM-12:37PM) Baker cannot profess to be atop the roof yet be on his way back down in time to see someone who could have went up and back down again twice in the time Baker supposedly was atop the roof...

Mr. BELIN - In this time sequence you mentioned you were on the roof more than 5 minutes, that could be 25 or 30 or 10 or 15 or what?
Mr. BAKER - This, to my recollection, it seemed like I shouldn't have stayed up there over 10 minutes anyway, if that long.

Yet, he says he saw Inspector Sawyer who only spent a minute checking the 4th floor storage area before returning immediately downstairs.

A highly-skilled defense attorney would have eaten Baker and Roy Truly alive ---->

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.

My, my, my Freudian slip there. Mr. Truly? Why were you in the sniper's nest before the incriminating evidence was found? Care to elaborate or Cat got your tongue?! Pleading the 5th Roy Truly?!

Again, the wrongly accused was right where he said he was all along. He was framed. It's that simple really. The wrongly accused didn't shoot anybody. Anybody.

*Be well, stay healthy & safe everyone amid the ongoing pandemic challenges we all are facing. 



 

[Rick Plant]

Yeah Rick,
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick.
My reply included a post from ages ago (reply#524) that explained my stance on Stanton.
You seem to have taken it as if it was meant for you personally.
It's not.

Well Dan, members usually don't copy and paste a reply that was addressed to another member from several months ago (October 4, 2020) in their current reply (March 11, 2021) to a different member which has nothing to do with the current discussion. There's no point to that especially when you replied to my post that was directed at Mr. Ford.

And still you haven't answered any of my questions or provided a single shred of evidence for your bogus Sarah Stanton as Prayer Man claim. 

[Alan Ford]

Baker says in his testimony that he & Roy Truly were atop the roof for between 5 & 10 minutes. Yet Baker claims he saw Inspector Sawyer...

Mr. BAKER - The next thing that I noticed was Inspector Sawyer, he was on one of those floors there, he is a police inspector.
Mr. DULLES - City of Dallas Police?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. And he was on, I really didn't notice which floor he was on, but that is the first thing I saw as we descended how this freight elevator

Setting aside the timing issue momentarily..................

Inspector Sawyer will soon be broadcasting the following on Channel 2:

"Well, apparently, the shots might have come from this building. It's unknown whether he's still there or not. It's unknown whether he was there in the first place."

Let's take each element in turn.....................

"It's unknown whether he's still there or not": This does not sound like a description based on a man seen running out the back door of the Depository. Inspector Sawyer's description would seem to have come from a different source.

"It's unknown whether he was there in the first place": This does not sound like a description based on a man seen firing from one of the Depository windows (by e.g. Mr Howard Brennan). (I am assuming here that "in the first place" means at the the actual time shots were fired.) Inspector Sawyer's description would seem to have come from a different source.

One would very much like to suggest that the true source was none other than Officer Marrion Baker, whose affidavit description of the man caught walking away from the stairway on the third or fourth floor is SO close to the suspect description that went out over Channel 2. One would furthermore like to suggest that Officer Baker mentioned this man to Inspector Sawyer during their brief rendezvous on the "third or fourth floor" (!).

However! What doesn't fit here is that the Channel 2 description mentions that the man was "carrying what looked to be a 30-30 or some type of Winchester"....................

[Alan Ford]

Setting aside the timing issue momentarily..................

Inspector Sawyer will soon be broadcasting the following on Channel 2:

"Well, apparently, the shots might have come from this building. It's unknown whether he's still there or not. It's unknown whether he was there in the first place."

Let's take each element in turn.....................

"It's unknown whether he's still there or not": This does not sound like a description based on a man seen running out the back door of the Depository. Inspector Sawyer's description would seem to have come from a different source.

"It's unknown whether he was there in the first place": This does not sound like a description based on a man seen firing from one of the Depository windows (by e.g. Mr Howard Brennan). (I am assuming here that "in the first place" means at the the actual time shots were fired.) Inspector Sawyer's description would seem to have come from a different source.

One would very much like to suggest that the true source was none other than Officer Marrion Baker, whose affidavit description of the man caught walking away from the stairway on the third or fourth floor is SO close to the suspect description that went out over Channel 2. One would furthermore like to suggest that Officer Baker mentioned this man to Inspector Sawyer during their brief rendezvous on the "third or fourth floor" (!).

However! What doesn't fit here is that the Channel 2 description mentions that the man was "carrying what looked to be a 30-30 or some type of Winchester"....................

It's possible that Inspector Sawyer COMBINED what he heard from Officer Baker (description of man) with what a different witness or officer told him a little earlier or later (description of rifle-------and only of rifle--------seen at time of shooting). The carrying-a-rifle part might simply be Inspector Sawyer's joining of these two dots. His otherwise perplexing uncertainty as to whether THIS man was EITHER in the building at the time OR still in the building now might be explained by just such a joining of the dots.

[Alan Ford]

It's possible that Inspector Sawyer COMBINED what he heard from Officer Baker (description of man) with what a different witness or officer told him a little earlier or later (description of rifle-------and only of rifle--------seen at time of shooting). The carrying-a-rifle part might simply be Inspector Sawyer's joining of these two dots. His otherwise perplexing uncertainty as to whether THIS man was EITHER in the building at the time OR still in the building now might be explained by just such a joining of the dots.

This would also explain another curious transmission by Inspector Sawyer. Asked by the Dispatcher whether there is a clothing description for the suspect, Inspector Sawyer says "Current witness can't remember that".

Current witness-------------suggests that a) the person he has just spoken to is not the only witness he has spoken to, and b) this second witness has given him the rifle-only description. In Inspector Sawyer's brief exchange with Officer Baker on the third or fourth floor several minutes ago, clothing may not have come up, only physical characteristics (height, weight, age, race).