Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1022 on: January 22, 2021, 08:26:34 PM »
I'm afraid I know of no such scribbled notes from Agent Bookhout

OK, thank you...Perhaps I'm misremembering....     I thought it was you who had posted the scribbled notes.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1023 on: January 22, 2021, 08:54:24 PM »
Friends, think about the absurd position of those who believe that Mr Oswald confirmed a second-floor post-shooting encounter with the officer and Mr Truly.

A. Suppose Mr Oswald is guilty of the shooting. He went downstairs and was confronted by the officer at the lunchroom. Now in custody, he knows that Mr Truly and the officer will tell Captain Fritz of this, if they haven't done so already. So he confirms the encounter. The self-interested thing to do now is to just tell the next part truthfully as to external facts: I wanted to find out what had happened. I went through the office area, where one of the ladies who works there told me the President had been shot. I went down the front stairs and out front.

B. Suppose Mr Oswald is innocent of the shooting. He happened to be confronted by the officer at the lunchroom. Now in custody, he knows that Mr Truly and the officer will tell Captain Fritz of this, if they haven't done so already. So he confirms the encounter. All he has to do now is tell the next part: I wanted to find out what had happened. I went through the office area, where one of the ladies who works there told me the President had been shot. I went down the front stairs and out front.

About the single maddest, most suicidally self-incriminating thing Mr Oswald can do-------------on EITHER scenario above--------------is say: I immediately put the encounter with the police officer out of my mind and went back down to the first floor to eat my lunch. Then I walked to the front of the building, not noticing anything or anybody around me. Then I went outside to watch the P. Parade. To my great surprise...

Yet this is what Team Keep LHO Away From Them Steps would have us believe Mr Oswald said!

Mr O'Meara, in his zeal to keep Mr Oswald away from them steps, even goes a step further-----------

I immediately put the encounter with the police officer out of my mind and went back down to the first floor to eat my lunch. Then I walked to the front of the building, not noticing anything or anybody around me. Then I went outside to watch the P. Parade. It took a little while before I realized that it wasn't a normal parade...

Why----------according to Mr O'Meara----------did Mr Oswald say this? Why, to fashion for himself an alibi:D

This, friends, is the deranged thinking to which the revelation of Agent Hosty's draft interrogation report has reduced members of Team Keep LHO Away From Them Steps!
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1024 on: January 22, 2021, 09:02:10 PM »
So Mr Truly lied to Captain Fritz?

HUH??....  Truly told Fritz while Fritz was at the TSBD ( Around 1:45 ??)   that officer Baker had encountered a man ON THE STAIRS .....

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1025 on: January 22, 2021, 09:05:54 PM »
Friends, think about the absurd position of those who believe that Mr Oswald confirmed a second-floor post-shooting encounter with the officer and Mr Truly.

A. Suppose Mr Oswald is guilty of the shooting. He went downstairs and was confronted by the officer at the lunchroom. Now in custody, he knows that Mr Truly and the officer will tell Captain Fritz of this, if they haven't done so already. So he confirms the encounter. The self-interested thing to do now is to just tell the next part truthfully as to external facts: I wanted to find out what had happened. I went through the office area, where one of the ladies who works there told me the President had been shot. I went down the front stairs and out front.

B. Suppose Mr Oswald is innocent of the shooting. He happened to be confronted by the officer at the lunchroom. Now in custody, he knows that Mr Truly and the officer will tell Captain Fritz of this, if they haven't done so already. So he confirms the encounter. All he has to do now is tell the next part: I wanted to find out what had happened. I went through the office area, where one of the ladies who works there told me the President had been shot. I went down the front stairs and out front.

About the single maddest, most suicidally self-incriminating thing Mr Oswald can do-------------on EITHER scenario above--------------is say: I immediately put the encounter with the police officer out of my mind and went back down to the first floor to eat my lunch. Then I walked to the front of the building, not noticing anything or anybody around me. Then I went outside to watch the P. Parade. To my great surprise...

Yet this is what Team Keep LHO Away From Them Steps would have us believe Mr Oswald said!

Mr O'Meara, in his zeal to keep Mr Oswald away from them steps, even goes a step further-----------

I immediately put the encounter with the police officer out of my mind and went back down to the first floor to eat my lunch. Then I walked to the front of the building, not noticing anything or anybody around me. Then I went outside to watch the P. Parade. It took a little while before I realized that it wasn't a normal parade...

Why----------according to Mr O'Meara----------did Mr Oswald say this? Why, to fashion for himself an alibi:D

Meanwhile, for those of us who prefer things to be straightforwardly logical, we have a perfectly simple claim from Mr Oswald himself:

I went to the second floor lunchroom and bought a Coke. I then went down to the first floor to have lunch. Then I took what was left of my lunch and Coke outside with me to watch the P. Parade. I was there on the front steps when the shooting happened.

Mr Oswald's claim is the primary claim. It both precedes and has a hell of a lot more going for it than the WC fairytale claim. The fact that it had to be suppressed tells us all we need to know about its correspondence to reality!  Thumb1:
« Last Edit: January 22, 2021, 09:51:29 PM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1026 on: January 22, 2021, 09:08:11 PM »
HUH??....  Truly told Fritz while Fritz was at the TSBD ( Around 1:45 ??)   that officer Baker had encountered a man ON THE STAIRS .....

Did Mr Truly tell Captain Fritz that the man was Mr Oswald?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1027 on: January 22, 2021, 09:28:16 PM »
Did Mr Truly tell Captain Fritz that the man was Mr Oswald?

Truly may ? have told Fritz that the man's name was Lee Oswald......But I doubt it.

Baker described the man as being about 30, with dark hair, weighing 165 pounds, and wearing a light brown jacket. And he was walking away from the stairs.

Baker did NOT describe Lee Oswald...and therefore Truly would have known full well that the man was NOT Lee Oswald.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1028 on: January 22, 2021, 09:32:28 PM »
Meanwhile, for those of us who prefer things to be straightforwardly logical, we have a perfectly clear claim from Mr Oswald himself:

I went to the second floor lunchroom and bought a Coke. I then went down to the first floor to have lunch. Then I took what was left of my lunch and Coke outside with me to watch the P. Parade. I was there on the front steps when the shooting happened.

Mr Oswald's claim is the primary claim. It both precedes and has a hell of a lot more going for it than the WC fairytale claim. The fact that it had to be suppressed tells us all we need to know about its correspondence to reality!  Thumb1:

By the afternoon of the assassination, the 'investigating' authorities had a compound nightmare on their hands............

-----------The suspect was claiming, truthfully, to have been on the front steps at the time of the shooting
-----------The suspect was claiming, truthfully, to have been asked by an officer charging into the building whether he worked there
-----------That same officer was talking about confronting a man by the rear stairway several floors up
-----------There was no guarantee that a witness to the suspect (and/or to Suspect + Officer + Mr Truly) on the steps would not tell a pressman about it
-----------There was no guarantee that a photograph or film showing the suspect (and/or Suspect + Officer + Mr Truly) on the steps would not show up

What to do?

Well....

Priority #1: Get Mr Oswald away from those steps
Priority #2: Disappear the non-Oswaldian man caught walking away from the rear stairway

Thus was born the Lunchroom Encounter
-----------------A location within theoretical striking distance of the sixth floor for a shooter, but within theoretical striking distance of the front entrance for a non-shooter
-----------------A location that Mr Oswald himself would have had good reason to visit during lunchtime (should public proof of his innocence emerge)
-----------------On a floor whose layout meant that Mr Oswald could theoretically have gone up quickly enough by the front stairs to be seen "walking" (if not "walking away") by the officer coming on to the floor off the rear stairs.

Frame the suspect, but if that doesn't stick: CYA!

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