Fragments

[Bill Chapman]

You provide nothing but assumptions, unsubstantiated claims, and irrelevancies.

I have no idea what you’re talking about, and I doubt you do either.

Tell us why you keep trying to associate both actions with the same stimulus.

1) Kennedy's sudden quick reaction as he reappears from behind the sign (that eventually brings his hands to his throat) are neither assumptions, unsubstantiated claims, nor irrelevant to my questioning Hinrich's claim of a z228 impact.

2) You missed my question mark.

3) What 'both actions'? Hinrich's gif utilizing several frames starting at z228 which toggle back-and forth shows nothing of a second stimulus.

Tell us why you are insisting on a second stimulus. Better still, show us where in the film.

[Thomas Graves]

1) Kennedy's sudden quick reaction as he reappears from behind the sign (that eventually brings his hands to his throat) are neither assumptions, unsubstantiated claims, nor irrelevant to my questioning Hinrich's claim of a z228 impact.

2) You missed my question mark.

3) What 'both actions'? Hinrich's gif utilizing several frames starting at z228 which toggle back-and forth shows nothing of a second stimulus.

Tell us why you are insisting on a second stimulus. Better still, show us where in the film.

Bill,

I'm afraid you're wasting your time trying to reason with John.

In my experience, it's impossible to prove to him, minus ten film clips showing the same event from different perspectives, eighteen photographs, eight notarized statements (in triplicate), and five authenticated DNA test results, anything he rationally (or otherwise) fears might implicate his hero, self-proclaimed Marxist Lee Harvey Oswald, or, conversely, exonerate the evil, evil, evil "Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex" (which many brainwashed Americans, to Vladimir Putin's glee, nowaday call "The Deep State").

--  MWT 

[Dan O'meara]

JFK raises his fists to his throat as a reaction to a stimulus, then raises one elbow as a reaction to another stimulus, then raises the other elbow as a reaction to another stimulus then coughs up a furball as a ...you get the picture. Hinrichs has isolated one aspect of a complex reaction and assigned it special significance (in my opinion). There is no need to view JFK's various movements as anything other than a single complex of movements to a single, traumatic stimulus (as far as I'm concerned)

[John Iacoletti]

1) Kennedy's sudden quick reaction as he reappears from behind the sign (that eventually brings his hands to his throat) are neither assumptions, unsubstantiated claims, nor irrelevant to my questioning Hinrich's claim of a z228 impact.

They most certainly are. What may or may not have occurred previously is irrelevant to Hinrich’s view of a Z228 impact.

Tell us why you are insisting on a second stimulus. Better still, show us where in the film.

I’m not insisting anything. You’re the one trying to cram all of the reactions into a single shot. Martin’s view is that z228 shows Kennedy reacting from a back impact. You call this “dishonest” because he didn’t mention something different that you noticed happening earlier.

[Royell Storing]

If the bullet wounds to JFK's back and throat are to be considered a through-and-through wound then Hinrichs is wrong. If they are separate injuries he might have a point, however, this would require two unaccounted-for bullets lodged in Kennedy's back and throat (I'm assuming they're unaccounted-for as I'm unaware of any such finding)

   Anything inside the neck/back area was Quickly retrieved at the "Pre" Autopsy. This is why when Humes was questioned under OATH numerous times by the WC and HSCA regarding a Start Time, he Always SPECIFIED "Autopsy". Sgt Boyajian DOCUMENTED the early arrival of JFK at Bethesda via his Official Arrival Document written on onion paper which was unearthed by the ARRB. An aging Humes when intensely questioned by the ARRB's Jeremy Gunn also Documented the Early Arrival of the JFK Body. A "Pre"Autopsy having been conducted on the body of JFK is why Humes gasped, "Surgery to the head area" when he viewed JFK's body after it was removed from the casket. Humes knew!

[Bill Chapman]

They most certainly are. What may or may not have occurred previously is irrelevant to Hinrich’s view of a Z228 impact.

I’m not insisting anything. You’re the one trying to cram all of the reactions into a single shot. Martin’s view is that z228 shows Kennedy reacting from a back impact. You call this “dishonest” because he didn’t mention something different that you noticed happening earlier.

Exactly what movement indicates to you that an
impact occurs at z228? I see a constant, even,
unbroken motion of JFK's hands continuing to rise
to the throat from the earlier z223 frame, along
with the upper-body continued forward movement
exhibiting no further sudden, quick reaction.


Bypassing the sudden, quick reaction seen
when JFK reappears from behind the sign
is an obvious attempt to mislead. Hinrichs is
attempting to make z228 appear to be the
starting point for a separate impact.

[Dan O'meara]

Nice work Bill.
Two things seem really clear from the clip - JFK's reaction to being shot is a single, fluid, complex of movements. Hinrichs has taken one small element of that complex and assigned it a specific meaning that it doesn't have when viewed as a whole. The other thing, which could hardly be more obvious, is that both men are shot through at the same time. For me it's as obvious as JFK's "back and to the left" head snap. I would imagine anyone already committed to the idea they are not shot at the same time must struggle to some small degree watching the clip above.