A Question About Dr. Robert Zacharko.

[Michael T. Griffith]

Earlier, Mr. Griffith made the following post:

But, as usual, Mr. Griffith only gave us partial information and leaves out very relevant information.

On the question of “Could a bullet from the front caused JFK’s head to move backwards in the manner seen in the Zapruder film”, Dr. Mantik said:

On this point, I agree with Dr. Mantik. Although I think the gradual acceleration backwards over a quarter of a second is a more telling point then the too large momentum that JFK’s head and torso ended up with, to be explained by a bullet.

Yes, it’s true, Dr. Mantik does not think that JFK’s head movement could be explained by a neuromuscular spasm. But he also doesn’t think it can be explained by a bullet from the front.

So much for Griffith’s notion that “this violent backward motion” (actually a 2-mph backward motion) can only be explained by a frontal bullet.

What is Dr. Mantik’s solution to this motion? He goes with his joint Fetzer-Mantik theory that the Zapruder film was altered. Altered to give the impression to one that does not analyze the film that there was a frontal shot. Yes, this makes perfect sense. And I guessed altered all the other films and photographs to make them all match. And didn’t worry about any film or photograph that they might be unaware of.

If Griffith is going to use Mantik for support, he should note that in addition to rejecting a hypothesis that I support, he also rejects the hypothesis that Griffith supports.

You are just non-stop propaganda and distortion, aren't you?

Folks, rather than sort through all of this guy's dishonest cherry-picking and distortions, just go read Dr. Mantik's writings, most of which are available for free online, and go read my various comments on the backward head movement in my articles. A short story even shorter: Dr. Mantik believes that the backward head movement that we now see in the Zapruder film could not have been caused by a bullet from the front (and, needless to say, not by a bullet from behind, either), and that the backward movement in the original film was not as dramatic as it now appears. Based on his examination of the skull x-rays, Dr. Mantik is certain that JFK's head was struck by a bullet from the front--he has found strong evidence of this in the skull x-rays--but that, again, no bullet from the front or back could have caused the backward head snap as it now appears in the Zapruder film.

Here is Dr. Mantik's website:

https://themantikview.com/

[Joe Elliott]

You are just non-stop propaganda and distortion, aren't you?

Folks, rather than sort through all of this guy's dishonest cherry-picking and distortions, just go read Dr. Mantik's writings, most of which are available for free online, and go read my various comments on the backward head movement in my articles. A short story even shorter: Dr. Mantik believes that the backward head movement that we now see in the Zapruder film could not have been caused by a bullet from the front (and, needless to say, not by a bullet from behind, either), and that the backward movement in the original film was not as dramatic as it now appears. Based on his examination of the skull x-rays, Dr. Mantik is certain that JFK's head was struck by a bullet from the front--he has found strong evidence of this in the skull x-rays--but that, again, no bullet from the front or back could have caused the backward head snap as it now appears in the Zapruder film.

Here is Dr. Mantik's website:

https://themantikview.com/

No, I was accurate. Dr. Mantik made two claims:

1.   A neuromuscular spasm could not have caused JFK’s head to move back, in the manner we see in the Zapruder film.

This is what you made everyone aware of in your posts.

2.   A bullet from the front could not have caused JFK’s head to move back, in the manner we see in the Zapruder film.

This is something you kept a secret from us, until I made a post about it.

You should have mentioned that your champion said that the backward movement could not have been made by either the neuromuscular spasm nor a frontal bullet, in the manner seen in the Zapruder film.

And finally, I mentioned that Dr. Mantik got around this contradiction by saying the Zapruder film is a fake and that he believed that JFK was hit in the head by a frontal bullet.

[Joe Elliott]

Always has been although one of the less gifted.

BTW, all this Neuro Nutter Nonsense is pure speculation. JFK simply fainted, back and to the left...

You’re just trying to draw attention from the fact that Mr. Griffith referred to a professor of Psychology as a “Neuroscientist” to make it appear he had real expert backing for the notion that the neuromuscular spasm could not have happened to JFK.

Question:

Do you think Mr. Griffith was being dishonest by always referring to Dr. Zacharko as a neuroscientist?

[Michael T. Griffith]

I should add one more point for clarification, a point that has been made by several scholars, including Dr. Mantik: JFK's backward movement consists of two movement--first the backward movement of his head, and then, logically enough, the backward movement of his shoulders and upper body. Itek discussed this fact in their study. Dr. Mantik says that we simply do not know how much the editors exaggerated the speed of these movements but that the original movements were certainly markedly less rapid.

Way back in 1998, based on Dr. Mantik's and others' research, I said that the backward head snap was actually evidence of alteration because the movement was too rapid to have occurred in the real world because it could have been caused by a bullet, a muscle spasm, or a jet effect.

[Joe Elliott]

I should add one more point for clarification, a point that has been made by several scholars, including Dr. Mantik: JFK's backward movement consists of two movement--first the backward movement of his head, and then, logically enough, the backward movement of his shoulders and upper body. Itek discussed this fact in their study. Dr. Mantik says that we simply do not know how much the editors exaggerated the speed of these movements but that the original movements were certainly markedly less rapid.

Way back in 1998, based on Dr. Mantik's and others' research, I said that the backward head snap was actually evidence of alteration because the movement was too rapid to have occurred in the real world because it could have been caused by a bullet, a muscle spasm, or a jet effect.

The next time you need to make one more point for clarification, make certain that the Dr. Zacharko who you referred to as a “Neuroscientist” was actually a “Professor of Psychology”. Otherwise, people may get the mistaken impression that your “expert” had a lot more expertise on the matter in question, “neuromuscular spasms”, than he really had.

And this thread is about Dr. Zacharko, not Dr. Mantik.

Question:

Do you have any explanation as to why you always referred to Dr. Zacharko as a “Neuroscientist” and not by a more accurate label, a “Professor of Psychology”?



I might note that this is a common pattern with you. A backwards of 2 mph becomes “thrown back violently”. A “Professor of Psychology” becomes a “Neuroscientist”. You always choose the most misleading phrase to help bolster a weak argument.

[Joe Elliott]

Always has been although one of the less gifted.

BTW, all this Neuro Nutter Nonsense is pure speculation. JFK simply fainted, back and to the left...

I don't know what type of goats the army used in 1948 when 10,000 of them were shot while being filmed, to get insights on what happens when various parts of the body are wounded by bullets. I don't image they would have used "fainting goats", otherwise known as a Myotonic goat. These goats “faint” when startled. These reactions cannot be induced in a goat that is already unconscious.

In any case, the observed reaction in the fainting goat is nothing like the movements seen in the 1948 goat film. And that goat was given an anesthetic to make the goat totally unconscious, so it could not have been startled.

By the way, humans can also have a related disorder called congenital myotonia, although in humans, this does not result in “fainting”.

[Joe Elliott]

I have no dog in this race, this is just one big rabbit hole.

It doesn't at all effect that the WC was a coverup and the evidence couldn't support their preconceived conclusions.

That's what I would be concerned with if I were you.

BTW, JFK wore a back brace, were the goats braced?

JFK’s back brace won’t cause his head to accelerate backwards, at a faster rate than the torso. If his body’s acceleration backwards was caused by the back brace (which I greatly doubt) his head would not have been accelerating backwards faster than the torso. Not unless he was wearing a neck brace as well.

No, it wasn’t the back brace. No, it wasn’t the limousine accelerating. The acceleration of the head backwards during a quarter second, (z313 through z318), the right elbow shooting upwards (z315 through z318) by six inches, could only be caused by JFK’s muscles. But CTers will continue to look for some other explanation, any other explanation, for this movement. Maybe it is time for CTers to call upon the supernatural and suggest a poltergeist.


In any case, this is a thread about Dr. Zacharko, so if you want to talk about the back brace or anything else, please start up another thread.