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Author Topic: If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?  (Read 81640 times)

Online Michael T. Griffith

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Any discussion on Oswald's escape should take into account Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig's report that about 15 minutes after the assassination he saw Oswald run from the rear of the TSBD and get into a Rambler station wagon driven by a man with a dark complexion. In spite of Craig's sterling record as a police officer, WC apologists have rejected Craig's account because it destroys the WC's version of Oswald's movements after the shooting. There is good evidence that supports Craig's account, as Dr. Michael Kurtz explains:

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The Warren Report mentions that Dallas Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig claimed that about fifteen minutes after the assassination, he saw Oswald run from the rear of the Depository building, scamper down an incline to Elm Street, and enter a Rambler station wagon driven by a dark complected man. According to the commission, "Craig may have seen a person enter a white Rambler station wagon 15 or 20 minutes after the shooting . . . but the Commission has concluded that this man was not Lee Harvey Oswald, because of the overwhelming evidence that Oswald was far away from the building by that time."

What was that "overwhelming evidence"? It should be mentioned that even if the commission's version is accepted, Oswald was not "far away from the building by that time." According to the commission, at 12:44 Oswald was getting off McWatters's bus only five blocks east of the Depository building. He then walked for four minutes to the Greyhound bus station only four blocks away. The "overwhelming evidence" is the testimony of William Whaley [the cab driver]. Remember that Whaley failed to select Oswald out of police lineup as his taxicab passenger. He also testified that Oswald was wearing two jackets, while the commission claimed that he wore none. In his taxi logbook, Whaley recorded the time of his pickup at the bus station as 12:30, yet the commission said that the real time was 12:48.

Let us now examine Roger Craig's testimony in order to determine if it is consistent and accurate and supported by other evidence. Deputy Craig watched the motorcade in front of the Criminal Courts building on Houston Street. After hearing the shots, he raced to the grassy knoll area. Photographs of the scene show Craig in the large crowd of people converging on the knoll after the shooting. Craig then returned to the south side of Elm Street. As he was standing there with a group of law enforcement officials, he noticed a man run down the grassy embankment to the right front of the Texas School Book Depository building. A light green Rambler station wagon, driven by a heavy-set, dark-complected man, was traveling west on Elm Street. As the running man reached the curb, the station wagon stopped and the man entered. . . .

There is, in fact, substantial evidence that provides far more corroboration for Craig's testimony than for the totally unsubstantiated statements of Whaley. Carolyn Walther was watching the motorcade from Houston Street. She saw a man standing on the fourth or fifth floor in the southeast corner window of the Depository building. He was holding a gun. Next to him was a man dressed in a brown sport coat. Shortly after the assassination, James Worrell saw a man run out of the back of the Depository. The man was five feet eight inches to five feet ten inches tall, average weight, had dark hair, and was wearing a dark sports jacket. The man was moving south on Houston Street.

Richard Randolph Carr watched the motorcade from Houston and Commerce streets. Shortly before the shooting, he saw a man wearing a brown sport coat in an upper floor of the Book Depository building. A couple of minutes after the shooting, Carr saw the same man walking very fast heading south on Houston Street. After going around the block, the man entered a grey or green Rambler station wagon. Marvin Robinson was driving his car west on Elm Street about fifteen minutes after the shooting. He saw a man come down the grassy incline and enter a Rambler station wagon, which then drove away.

Mrs. James Forrest was standing in a group of people who had gathered on the incline near the grassy knoll. As she was standing, she saw a man suddenly run from the rear of the Depository building, down the incline, and then enter a Rambler station wagon. The man she saw running down and entering the station wagon strongly resembled Lee Harvey Oswald. "If it wasn't Oswald," Mrs. Forrest has declared, "it was his identical twin." The testimony of Walther, Worrell, Carr, Robinson, and Forrest all provide strong substantiation for Roger Craig's story.

Craig's story is also supported by photographic evidence. One photograph shows Deputy Craig running toward the grassy knoll. Another shows him standing near the grassy knoll. Another shows him standing on the south side of Elm Street looking toward the Book Depository building. In the same photograph, a light-colored Rambler station wagon can be seen heading west on Elm Street. In another photograph, Craig is seen looking toward Elm Street in the general direction of the station wagon. . . .

Despite the impressive corroboration for Craig's testimony, the Warren Commission chose to reject it. Instead, it accepted the unsubstantiated and contradictory testimony of taxi driver William Whaley. There is no corroboration for Whaley's story. Whaley did tell the commission that when Oswald entered his cab, an elderly lady tried to enter it from the opposite side. Oswald volunteered to let her have the cab, but the lady refused because another taxi was waiting just behind Whaley's. There is no indication that the commission attempted to locate the other cab. Both the driver and the lady could have supported Whaley's observations. By studying the logbook of the other cab, it would be possible to attempt to trace the lady. Neither the police nor the commission did so.

Whaley testified that Oswald "had on two jackets." The commission decided there was none. At the police lineup, Whaley picked out eighteen-year-old David Knapp instead of twenty-four-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald (Knapp did not even resemble Oswald). Whaley registered 12:30 p.m. in his logbook as the time when his passenger entered the cab. This, of course, eliminated Oswald, since Oswald was in the Depository building at that time. The commission attempted to explain this by noting that Whaley recorded all trips in fifteen-minute intervals, regardless of how long the actual trip took. Since the commission decided Oswald entered the cab at 12:47 or 12:48, it did not explain why Whaley entered 12:30 instead of 12:45 in his book. Nor did it explain why other trips were entered at 6:20, 7:50, 8:10, 9:40, 10:50, and 3:10, rather than regular quarter-hour intervals. In his original log, Whaley entered 500 North Beckley as the spot where he let Oswald out. The commission decided that Whaley was wrong here, also.

It should be obvious to the disinterested observer that the Warren Commission was trying to fabricate a case against Oswald as a lone assassin and murderer. There is not one iota of evidence to substantiate Whaley's testimony about the cab ride. Deputy Sheriff Craig's story is supported by the testimony of five other witnesses as well as five photographs. (Crime of the Century, Knoxville: University of Tennessee Press, 1982, pp. 130-133, original emphasis).

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Any discussion on Oswald's escape should take into account Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig's report that about 15 minutes after the assassination he saw Oswald run from the rear of the TSBD and get into a Rambler station wagon driven by a man with a dark complexion. In spite of Craig's sterling record as a police officer, WC apologists have rejected Craig's account because it destroys the WC's version of Oswald's movements after the shooting. There is good evidence that supports Craig's account, as Dr. Michael Kurtz explains:

Any discussion on Oswald's escape should take into account Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig's report that about 15 minutes after the assassination he saw Oswald run from the rear of the TSBD

Didn't Roger Craig say "somebody looking like Oswald" or words to that effect?

Anyway, where do you think Oswald was for those 15 minutes? He couldn't have been inside the TBSD because that was locked down at around 12.36 or 12.37. So, where was he?

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"The Warren Report mentions that Dallas Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig claimed that about fifteen minutes after the assassination, he saw Oswald run from the rear of the Depository building, scamper down an incline to Elm Street..."

Craig doesn't say this or anything remotely like this. Craig is in no position to see anything happening at the rear of the TSBD:

Mr. BELIN - All right. Your heard someone whistle?
Mr. CRAIG - Yes. So I turned and--uh-saw a man start to run down the hill on the north side of Elm Street, running down toward Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN - And, about where was he with relation to the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. CRAIG - Uh--directly across that little side street that runs in front of it, He was on the south side of it.
Mr. BELIN - And he was on the south side of what would be an extension of Elm Street, if Elm Street didn't curve down into the underpass?
Mr. CRAIG - Eight; right,
Mr. BELIN - And where was he with relation to the west side of the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. CRAIG - Right by the--uh--well, actually, directly in line with the west corner--the southwest corner,
Mr. BELIN - He was directly in line with the southwest corner of the building?
Mr. CRAIG - Yes,
Mr. BELIN - And he was on the south curve of that street that runs right in front of the building there?
Mr. CRAIG - Yes,
Mr. BELIN - And he started to run toward Elm Street as it curves under the underpass?
Mr. CRAIG - Yes ; directly down the grassy portion of the park,

The man Craig sees is directly in line with south-west corner of the TSBD and on the south side of the little dead-end street that runs in front of it. He is in front of the TSBD at the west corner. In the bottom left-hand corner of the diagram below there is a red and white bar marked 0 - 20, Craig places the man he sees approximately where the 0 is:


As far as I know the triangle(ish) structure at the west of the TSBD (marked "warehouse bldg" and "load'g dock") was completely empty at the time of the assassination, I could be totally wrong about that. I'm assuming the door marked "walk door" is the entrance Lovelady and Shelley were so keen to avoid mentioning in their affidavits. Was this door guarded after the police lockdown? I can't find any mention of it.

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It is not this complicated.

It seems to be way too complicated for you

Every witness time estimate prior to 12:36 is a guesstimate.

That would be true if any of the witnesses actually gave a time estimate. They didn't! Victoria Adams told the FBI on 11/24/63 that she and Styles went down the stairs immediately after the last shot. She said the same thing again to Jim Leavelle on 02/07/64, again to the FBI on 03/23/64 and she repeated it again in her testimony. Dorothy Garner told Barefoot Sanders that the girls went down before Truly and Baker came up. And Sandra Styles told the FBI on 03/19/64 she and Adams left "at that time" after hearing the shots and seeing people running. That's the first flaw in your theory.

12:36 is the referenced time that the Police sealed the TSBD. After leaving the TSBD and walking near the tracks by the loading dock behind the TSBD, Styles and Adams are told to return to the building. 

There is no reference anywhere to a police man telling Adams and Styles "behind the TSBD" to go back into the building. It didn't happen, because if it had happened they wouldn't have been allowed to continue walking west (which they did) and would have simply turned around and entered the building via the loading dock. Also, by 12.36 there were already police officers and media in the building and running up the stairs. Adams and Styles encountered nobody as they came down the stairs. That's the second flaw in your theory.

The girls did not encounter the police man until they cleared the north west corner of the building. Being at that location allowed them to return to the building by walking around the west side of building and the warehouse extension, towards Elm street, turn left and walk along the parallel road in front of the TSBD towards the front entrance. There is no way in the world that the women could have covered that distance in only one or two minutes to hear the radio broadcast. That's the third flaw in your time line.

Prior to the encounter with the police officer telling them to return to the building at 12:36, as they are walking through the TSBD on their way to the Houston Street exit, Styles and Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady near the elevator.

Adams and Styles did not walk through the TSBD on their way out. They came down the stairs in the North West corner of the building, turned left and stepped onto the loading dock. Read Adams' testimony! Also, Shelley and Lovelady re-entered the building through one of the loading doors at the west side of the building and they did so approx 5 or 6 minutes after the shots. For Adams and Styles to have seen them, as they were going out, means that the girls did not leave the building any sooner than 12.35 or 12.36. That simpy does not match with the known time line combining all the available evidence.

12:37 is also a known time. Adams is listening to officer JJ Hill on the Police Radio while standing in front of the TSBD. Adams is then given permission to re enter the building. The front door was also closed to in and out traffic at 12:37.

Actually, it isn't a know time. The time stamps on the DPD radio could be off by as much as 2 minutes, according to J.C. Bowles, the supervisor for the DPD dispatchers. Again, Adams (and Styles) could not have been at the front entrance of the TSBD to hear the radio call, at 12.36 or 12.37, if she only left the building at the back one or two minutes earlier. There is no way they could have walked around the building in less than 2 minutes. That's the fourth flaw in your time line

The only conclusion that can be drawn is Adams and Styles never left the fourth floor as quickly as they thought they did or they took way more time than estimated to walk through the building. The actual encounters and time frames suggest they left several minutes after the shots were fired.

Your "conclusion" is all over the place. Not only does it not account for all the known information, but it also means - if your conclusion were true - that Adams, Styles and Garner all must have lied to the investigators over and over again, for no apparent reason.

It is beyond me how you can say that "actual encounters and time frames suggest they left several minutes after the shots" when you apparently don't even know that the girls never walked through the building, at least not on the first floor! But more importantly, you have failed completely to explain how the "information" you have offered in this post even justifies the conclusion that the girls left the 4th floor "several minutes after the shots"

Interesting but wrong. Styles stated they were told to return to the front of the building and Adams stated they traveled in southwest direction.

Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest.

Styles: "...We then went around to the side of the building where we saw a policeman talking to someone whom I did not recognize. I was told by a policeman to go around to the front of the building and out of that area...."

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The Stroud document contained two pieces of info. Garner said she saw Truly and Baker ascend the stairs, and Adams and Styles leave the fourth floor. She probably saw both events but places them in the wrong order. It is understandable that the WC would place no importance in the document given they established Styles and Adams movements by establishing known times  to their encounters with fellow employees, officers and radio transmissions. The presented forced fit timeline with time guesstimates proved beyond a doubt the ladies never left the fourth floor as early as stated. The timeline the WC established using known times associated with statements proves they left later than they estimated.

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Interesting but wrong. Styles stated they were told to return to the front of the building and Adams stated they traveled in southwest direction.

Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest.

Styles: "...We then went around to the side of the building where we saw a policeman talking to someone whom I did not recognize. I was told by a policeman to go around to the front of the building and out of that area...."

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The Stroud document contained two pieces of info. Garner said she saw Truly and Baker ascend the stairs, and Adams and Styles leave the fourth floor. She probably saw both events but places them in the wrong order. It is understandable that the WC would place no importance in the document given they established Styles and Adams movements by establishing known times  to their encounters with fellow employees, officers and radio transmissions. The presented forced fit timeline with time guesstimates proved beyond a doubt the ladies never left the fourth floor as early as stated. The timeline the WC established using known times associated with statements proves they left later than they estimated.

 :D you are scratching at the walls. The WC timeline has been debunked.
and what is..." She probably saw both events but places them in the wrong order..."  what is that?
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Way back in this thread I responded to this claim with a question:

I did. Every statement I made about his story is factual. He did not ID Oswald in the police lineup. At first he wasn't sure which window he saw. He said the shooter lingered in the window. He claimed he didn't ID Oswald at the police station because he feared for his life, yet he spoke with reports about the shooting and identified himself while speaking with them, on 11/22--odd behavior if he feared Oswald's accomplices might kill him.

We should remember that Brennan only agreed to ID Oswald as the shooter after prolonged "interviews" by federal agents. Most of his testimony is credible and agrees with that of several other witnesses. The only doubtful element in his testimony, other than his belated Oswald ID, is his statement that the gunman was standing.

Where did you get information that supposedly indicates that Howard Brennan spoke with reporters and identified himself on 11/22/63?

And the answer was that it came out of a book written by Mark Lane:

"The silence is deafening"? So if you don't get a reply within a certain timeframe, you assume your question is being dodged?

Anyway, Brennan's 11/22/63 interview with reporters is discussed in Mark Lane's book Rush to Judgment (p. 92). Does anyone take seriously Brennan's belated claim that he failed to positively ID Oswald in the police lineup because he feared for his life? Does anyone here believe that?

Given the disgraceful manner in which the police rigged the lineups, it is quite significant that Brennan declined to make a positive ID. It was only after he was browbeaten for weeks by the FBI that Brennan finally agreed to ID Oswald as the man he had seen in the window. Brennan's foreman, Sandy Speaker, said Brennan was "a nervous wreck" after his FBI "interviews," and that "they made him say what they wanted him to say."

By the way, Brennan was 120 feet away from the TSBD, and the man he saw was behind a window. I seriously doubt that anyone could have seen the man well enough, clearly enough, from that distance and under those conditions, to later make a reliable identification.

"But Brennan was farsighted," some WC apologists will note. So what? Being farsighted does not mean that you have unusually good vision from a distance; it just means that you can see normally from a distance but cannot see normally from short range without glasses or contacts. I'm farsighted and I could not see someone clearly enough from 120 feet away through a window to make a reliable identification.

To get some idea of the unlikelihood of Brennan's belated ID of Oswald, go to a football field, stand on the goal line, close your eyes, and have a random stranger whom you've never seen before stand on the 40 yard line. 40 yards equals 120 feet, or nearly half a football field. And have the stranger stand behind a plate of glass. Look at him for no more than a few minutes, and then come back and tell me that you believe you could recognize him, with a reasonable degree of certainty, hours later among several other people.

And a correction to one of my earlier statements: I said that Bonnie Ray Williams said he heard no movement above him after the shots were fired. James Jarman said this, not Williams, although Williams apparently agreed since he did not mention hearing movement above him after the shots either.

This is my reply:

Thank you for the reply.


Anyway, Brennan's 11/22/63 interview with reporters is discussed in Mark Lane's book Rush to Judgment (p. 92).


Here is what I found in "Rush to Judgment:"

"Furthermore, Brennan's anxiety about himself and his family did not prevent him from speaking to reporters on November 22, when he gave not only his impressions as an eyewitness but also his name. (688)

Footnote 688 : The Dallas Morning News, November 23, 1963.


I haven't been able to find access online to that newspaper (DMN 11/23/63) without subscribing for at least 3-months to the newspaper. But I do have a copy of the 50th anniversary reprint on the way. If anyone here has access to that newspaper and wants to search for whatever Mark Lane might be referencing, please do and post here what you find.

In the meantime, here is what Dallas Morning News reporter Hugh Aynesworth (who was there) wrote in his 2013 book "Witness to History" about this:

"Outside of the building, the police did their utmost not only to protect the general crime scene but also to insulate potentially valuable witnesses from the press. Of the eight or so people I first tried to interview around the book depository, the most important was Howard Brennan, a steamfitter - he had his hard hat with him - who was stationed directly across the street opposite Lee Harvey Oswald perched in the sixth-floor window. Brennan watched in amazement as the shooter aimed and fired, then calmly aimed and fired again.

The first police APB (all points bulletin) came at a quarter to one and was based on Brennan's dexcription of the shooter.

Attention all squads.
Attention all squads.
The suspect in the shooting at Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight 165 pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought bo be a .30-caliber rifle.

I saw Brennan talking to two officers and tried to poke my nose into their conversation. 'I saw him up there in that window,' I heard him say as he pointed toward Oswald's sniper nest. 'No doubt he was the one. He wasn't even in much of a hurry.'

One cop asked if Brennan could describe the shooter. 'O course,' he answered. 'I saw him real good.'

Then Brennan noticed me and moved away, asking the officers as he did so to keep me and the other reporters away from him - a request they were glad to fulfill. Brennan, I later learned, feared talking to the press lest he endanger himself or his family. Who knew what accomplices the assassin might have? In fact, for that reason he hesitated to identify Oswald positively in the later police line-up.


And here is what is written in Brennan's book:

From Page 17 of "Witness to History" by Howard Brennan:

"...Before I could reflect any longer I was confronted by a television reporter and cameraman. They wanted to interview me and find out what I knew about the shooting. I did not want to talk to him and I certainly did not want my picture broadcast. If there were more people involved than the young man I had seen then showing me on television as an eyewitness would be like hanging a target over my heart for someone to shoot at.

He kept asking 'Who are you, what do you know about the shooting of the President?' I turned my back on him without answering. He continued to try to get me to talk even though I moved away frim him. Finally I said 'I don't know anything.'

I learned later that my wife, Louise, had been watching television and saw the reporter trying to interview me. Even though my name wasn't given, she knew that I must have seen the assassination. My little grandson, who was less than two, pointed at the TV and said 'There's Granddaddy!' My daughter Vicki had watched the whole scene in a beauty shop. I felt exposed to the whole world as I tried to evade that reporter and cameraman. I don't know how long the reporter stayed with me, but it had to be for several minutes: each time he'd approach me I'd turn or move away a few steps. It is my sincere belief that Lee Harvey Oswald came out of the front door of the Depository while I was trying to avoid the TV reporter. If my attention had not been distracted I might have spotted him right there."

Later at the Sheriff's office:

"With more time to think, I recounted every detail about the young man that might help them apprehend him. His facial features, distinguishing marks, anything that would help. I was asked, 'If you saw this man again, could you identify him?' I said, 'I believe I can!' I knew that I could never forget the face I had seen in the window on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

Sorrels said, 'We appreciate your cooperation, Mr. Brennan. Your testimony may be very important.' I began to realize how important it was. Just then, as I was finishing with my testimony to be signed, another man came in whom I assumed to be an F.B.I Agent who informed us that President John F. Kennedy had died from a massive bullet wound to the head. The F.B.I. and Secret Service men in the office didn't respond visibly to the news, but I think, like me, they had somehow hoped against hope that it wasn't true.

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Then came a report that one of the employees at the Texas Book Depository was missing. At that moment, I just wanted to get away from it all. Mr. Sorrels introduced me to two men who were with the F.B.I. 'We'll be going with you,' one of them said. 'For awhile we feel that we should put you in protective custody as a precautionary measure.' I wasn't sure exactly what that meant, but I had a pretty good idea. They felt that since the killer hadn't been caught and may have seen the telecast, that my life might be in danger. If there was a conspiracy, there might be others who would want to silence me. 'We'll be with you at all times for awhile, but we'' do everything in our power to stay in the background.'

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Later his wife Louise asked:

"...'How long are they going to watch us?' she asked. I shook my head. 'I don't know. I guess as long as they think I may be in any kind of danger.' Louise shuddered visibly when I said that and I could see the very thought was upsetting her. I reassured her, 'Now don't worry, I'm not really in any danger. They're just doing it as a precaution.'

This didn't seem convincing to her. 'Howard,' she said, 'I'm afraid. We don't know who might be out there looking for you!' I couldn't reply to that. Louise wanted to know everything that had happened in the minutest detail. I repeated the events of the day to her, recounting details that were larger than life. Then she told me something I hadn't heard before. 'I heard on the television that the police have arrested someone they suspect as the killer' This news hit me like a thunderbolt. If this were so, it was a relief. But at the same time, I felt in even more danger, because if the police had found the young man who was in the sixth floor window, there might well be others who would do whatever they could to keep me from identifying him. We turned the television on again. We were becoming more and more embroiled in the drama that was developing and could only wonder what would happen next."

Jack replied to my request regarding the newspaper article:

Here is the transcribed article.

Dallas Morning News Saturday Nov 23, 1964 ---- The Assassin Crouched And Took Deadly Aim by Kent Biffle
"After the first shot, I looked up and saw him. The gun was sticking out of the window. I saw him fire a second time. He was a slender guy, a nice looking guy. He didn’t seem to be in no hurry.”  said Brennan.




I don't seem to be able to copy and paste the actual newspaper article.

Later, Iacoletti graciously posted an image of the article:

Here's the 11/23 DMN Biffle article.



And yesterday I received a copy of the 50th anniversary reprint of that newspaper. I do see a difference, here is an image of that page, and page 5 of section 4, of the reprint:





As you can see, The in the place of the James Ewell article "Suspected Assassin Has Lived in Russia" we find an article titled "President's Murder Charged to Oswald" with credits as follows: (The following story was prepared from material gathered by Dallas News Staff Writers James Ewell, Hugh Aynesworth and John Rutledge.) I suspect the differences can be attributed to different editions of that day's morning paper, the front page of the reprint that I have says: Vol. 115-No. 54, for whatever that is worth.

Anyway, the details contained in the article "President's Murder Charged to Oswald" include the answer to a question that I asked: Was the 4-power scope specification publicly known when Biffle wrote his article? If you look near the bottom of page 4-5, this information is printed, in the second column from the left, along with other details that could have only come from the police. It appears to me that Biffle most likely got this information about the scope from one of his fellow writers or from their article. And I also believe that Brennan's name, age, occupation, and quotes also came from one of his fellow writers, most likely Hugh Aynesworth who admits in his book to overhearing Brennan talking to the police outside the TSBD on 11/22/63, and/or other sources within the DPD. Aynesworth also writes in his book that Brennan was trying to avoid reporters on 11/22/63. Therefore, I reiterate that I believe that Mark Lane's assumption in his book that Brennan willing gave his name, etc to reporters on 11/22/63 is in error.


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Any discussion on Oswald's escape should take into account Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig's report that about 15 minutes after the assassination he saw Oswald run from the rear of the TSBD

Didn't Roger Craig say "somebody looking like Oswald" or words to that effect?

After he saw photos of Oswald, Craig said the man ran from the TSBD and jumped into the station wagon was either Oswald or someone who looked "strikingly" like him.

Anyway, where do you think Oswald was for those 15 minutes? He couldn't have been inside the TBSD because that was locked down at around 12.36 or 12.37. So, where was he?

I think he could have been in the TSBD. Craig said the man came from the rear of the building. I think the man was one of the two men whom several witnesses saw on the sixth floor just before the shooting. The man's escape might have been facilitated by the phony Secret Service agents whom Sergeant Harkness encountered in the rear of the TSBD a few minutes after the shooting (Harkness said the men told him they were SS, but there no genuine SS agents behind the TSBD at that time).

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If the man Craig saw did indeed come from inside the TSBD this is the probable route:



There is the possibility that this picture captures the Nash Rambler picking up the man Craig saw:




The front of the vehicle is not dissimilar to a '63 Nash Rambler:



If this picture is indeed the Nash Rambler picking up the man Craig saw, it gives a time of 12:40 pm. How does this fit in with Craig's timeline which has been given as 15 minutes?