If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

[Martin Weidmann]

Sandra Styles Butler told Sean Murphy that she may have seen them but she just couldn't recall doing so. I've read Adams' testimony scores of times.

Sandra Styles seems to have flip flopped several times. She told Murphy that they didn't leave the 4th floor straight away, but she told the FBI in 1964 that they left after the last shot.

Sandra Styles is not going to resolve this matter one way or another.

[Tim Nickerson]

What are we to make of that?

As the combined testimony of Adams, Shelley and Lovelady make it impossible for that encounter to have happened, one has to consider the possibility that she remembered incorrectly.

It's the only element that simply doesn't fit in an otherwise pretty solid time line. And not only that, it couldn't possibly fit which ever way to look at it.

As Adams and Styles were coming of the stairs, regardless if that was at 12.31 or 12.34, Shelley and Lovelady where outside the building from the moment the shots were fired until 12.35, one minute before the place was sealed off.

If the encounter had taken place just after 12.35, Adams and Styles wouldn't have been allowed out of the building by police at the back of the TSBD, but more importantly, by the time Shelley and Lovelady did enter the 1st floor, at 12.35, Styles and Adams were at the main entrance of the building.

In my view there are three options;

1. The encounter never happened and Adams remembered something that never took place.
2. The girls crossed paths with Shelley and Lovelady at the parking lot and Adams only parcially remembered
3. The testimony of Adams was tampered with.

If there is a fourth option, please let me know, because I can't think of it....

I rule out option 3 altogether. The fourth option would be that Adams descended later than she recalled.

[Dan O'meara]

I rule out option 3 altogether. The fourth option would be that Adams descended later than she recalled.

  or she deliberately lied about it because she knew what chaos it would cause in the future.

[Martin Weidmann]

I rule out option 3 altogether. The fourth option would be that Adams descended later than she recalled.

No surprise there, as far as option 3 is concerned. It is, however, still a viable option to be considered if no other plausible explanation is found.

The fourth option is no option at all, as it can be ruled out completely based on the known information.

The building was sealed of by 12.37, so if Adams and Styles came down the stairs after that time, they wouldn't have been able to leave the building

We know from her testimony that Adams was at the front entrance at 12.36, where she heard a radio call and then entered the building. She took the stairs to the 2nd floor, walked through the office space to the freight elevators in the back of the building and saw two men whom she believed were police men or secret agents. She then took the stairs up to the 4th floor. This means that by 12.36 there were already law enforcement people in the building. Had Styles and Adams descended at 12.36 they would most likely have encountered police men running up the stairs, but they didn't

We also know that Adams and Styles left the building at the back, walked around the loading dock and towards the railroad yard. At some point a policeman told them to return to the building and they did so by walking towards Elm street, passing the TSBD and it's warehouse extension at the west side of the building, and turning left on the dead end parallel road in front of the TSBD and walking toward the main entrance, where they arrived at 12.35, as Styles went immediately into the building, which at that time was not yet sealed off.

I would argue that it would have taken the women, on high heels, at least four minutes to walk the distance around the building and have a conversation with the policeman. Working backwards, this would mean that they must have left the building no later than 12.31 which fits perfectly with the scenario of them leaving the window immediately after the shots, running towards the stairs, going down and just missing Truly and Baker.

And then there is this to consider;

Victoria Adams told the FBI on 11/24/63 that she and Styles went down the stairs immediately after the last shot. She said the same thing again to Jim Leavelle on 02/07/64, again to the FBI on 03/23/64 and she repeated it again in her testimony. Dorothy Garner told Barefoot Sanders that the girls went down before Truly and Baker came up. And Sandra Styles told the FBI on 03/19/64 she and Adams left "at that time" after hearing the shots and seeing people running.

Your 4th option basically requires all these statements to be false.

If you don't think these statements are false, we can rule out option 4 all together, which basically leaves us, to reach agreement, options 1 and 2

1. The encounter never happened and Adams remembered something that never took place.
2. The girls crossed paths with Shelley and Lovelady at the parking lot and Adams only parcially remembered

Right?

[Martin Weidmann]

or she deliberately lied about it because she knew what chaos it would cause in the future.

The first time it is mentioned that Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady is in the report Jim Leavelle wrote on 02/07/64.

He showed up at Adams' new addres, where she had only just moved in, and told her he needed to interview her again because a previous interview had gone lost.
I don't believe Vickie Adams ever saw the report Leavelle wrote, but it was that document that the WC focused on and which by itself seems to have been enough for them to leave Adams out of the reconstruction in March 1964, prior to taking her testimony.

This, to me, seems a very strange way of doing things, as the purpose of a reconstruction is to determine what actually happened. You can not do that if you start leaving out people before doing the reconstruction!

[John Iacoletti]

I rule out option 3 altogether.

Why?  Other testimony was tampered with.

[John Iacoletti]

The first time it is mentioned that Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady is in the report Jim Leavelle wrote on 02/07/64.

He showed up at Adams' new addres, where she had only just moved in, and told her he needed to interview her again because a previous interview had gone lost.

And what exactly was Leavelle's motivation for doing this, as there had been no fire at the police station?