If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

[Tim Nickerson]

Although I've not read it yet I'm given to understand that in Barry Ernest's "The Girl On The Stairs" Adams categorically denies ever having made this statement and that it is a complete fabrication. She states the brief encounter was with a young African-American man. Sandra Styles denies the encounter with Shelley occurred. In his WC testimony even Shelley doesn't acknowledge it happening and Lovelady's testimony concerning this is a joke. The timelines are only confirming this reality.

Who was the woman that Lovelady saw when he came through the first floor?

[Martin Weidmann]

I already agreed that it is possible that she encountered them outside the building. I say possible but it's not plausible because of the particulars that she provided during her testimony.

But what if the particulars she provided during her testimony simply do not match with the known facts? Please remember that her testimony was some 5 + months after the events.

The combined testimony shows that the only possible location where Adams could have crossed paths with Shelley and Lovelady is in or near the parking lot at the west side of the TSBD anywhere between 12.33 and 12.35.

If you feel it's not plausible, there surely must be some other scenario that is more plausible to you, right? I'd would appreciate it if you try to fit that scenario, whatever it is, into the known time line, if you can.

[Dan O'meara]

In the book Ernest talks to Sandra Styles (married name Butler)

"A few people were milling around on the first floor," she explained. "One was a black man." That was apparently the same man Ms. Adams had mentioned. I casually asked her if William Shelley or Billy Lovelady were there.
"No," she said, emphasizing she would have recognized them since she knew both men well.

"The Girl On The Stairs" pg353

As for Billy Lovelady's WC testimony about Vicki Adams. as I say, it's a joke. Completely unprompted and totally out of context he blurts out her name:

Mr. BALL - You came in through the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie.

Read the full testimony. Nobody had mentioned anything about Vicki Adams up to that point, it was the unprovoked answer of a badly coached witness. He even goes on to say Shelley was talking with her, something Shelley had already denied.
It's okay if you don't want to accept the timeline Martin's putting forward. It's not mandatory. But at least it's reasonable.

[Martin Weidmann]

Who was the woman that Lovelady saw when he came through the first floor?

Who knows? But he said he wasn't sure it was Vickie.

The strangest thing about that is that he wasn't even asked about Adams. He was only asked who he saw in the first floor

Mr. BALL - Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie.
Mr. BALL - Who is Vickie?
Mr. LOVELADY - The girl that works for Scott, Foresman.
Mr. BALL - What is her full name?
Mr. LOVELADY - I wouldn't know.
Mr. BALL - Vickie Adams?
Mr. LOVELADY - I believe so.
Mr. BALL - Would you say it was Vickie you saw?
Mr. LOVELADY - I couldn't swear.

Seems a strange way to answer a question....

But anyway, as Shelley and Lovelady did not return to the 1st floor of the TSBD until 12.35 it could have been any woman Lovelady saw, but not Vickie Adams, because she wasn't there. She was still outside the main entrance and after entering the building, at or shortly after 12.36, she never went back to the first floor.

Miss ADAMS - There was an officer on the stairs itself, and he was prohibiting people from entering the building, that is correct. But I told him I worked there.
Mr. BELIN - Did he let you come back in?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do ?
Miss ADAMS - Following that, I pushed the button for the passenger elevator, but the power had been cut off on the elevator, so I took the stairs to the second floor.
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Mr. BELIN - Do those stairs go above floor 2?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir; they didn't.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do when you got to the second floor?
Miss ADAMS - I went into the Texas School Book Depository office and just listened for a few minutes to the people that were congregating there, and decided there wasn't anything interesting going on, and went out and walked around the hall to the freight elevator meaning the one on the northwest corner.
Mr. BELIN - Would it have been the west or the east? The one nearest the stairs or the other one?
Miss ADAMS - Yes; the one nearest the stairs.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - I went into the elevator which was stopped on the second floor, with two men who were dressed in suit and hats, and I assumed they were plainclothesmen.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do then?
Miss ADAMS - I tried to get the elevator to go to the fourth floor, but it wasn't operating, so the gentlemen lifted the elevator gate and we went out and ran up the stairs to the fourth floor.

[Tim Nickerson]

But what if the particulars she provided during her testimony simply do not match with the known facts? Please remember that her testimony was some 5 + months after the events.

The combined testimony shows that the only possible location where Adams could have crossed paths with Shelley and Lovelady is in or near the parking lot at the west side of the TSBD anywhere between 12.33 and 12.35.

If you feel it's not plausible, there surely must be some other scenario that is more plausible to you, right? I'd would appreciate it if you try to fit that scenario, whatever it is, into the known time line, if you can.

Her Testimony wasn't quite four months after the event. But even four months is a long time when it comes to recalling minor deatils that you would have never thought to commit to memory at the time. Adams recalled the position on the first floor where she encountered Lovelady and Shelley. She marked on a floor plan about where it was. What are we to make of that?

[Tim Nickerson]

In the book Ernest talks to Sandra Styles (married name Butler)

"A few people were milling around on the first floor," she explained. "One was a black man." That was apparently the same man Ms. Adams had mentioned. I casually asked her if William Shelley or Billy Lovelady were there.
"No," she said, emphasizing she would have recognized them since she knew both men well.

"The Girl On The Stairs" pg353

As for Billy Lovelady's WC testimony about Vicki Adams. as I say, it's a joke. Completely unprompted and totally out of context he blurts out her name:

Mr. BALL - You came in through the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie.

Read the full testimony. Nobody had mentioned anything about Vicki Adams up to that point, it was the unprovoked answer of a badly coached witness. He even goes on to say Shelley was talking with her, something Shelley had already denied.
It's okay if you don't want to accept the timeline Martin's putting forward. It's not mandatory. But at least it's reasonable.

Sandra Styles Butler told Sean Murphy that she may have seen them but she just couldn't recall doing so. I've read Adams' testimony scores of times.

[Martin Weidmann]

Her Testimony wasn't quite four months after the event. But even four months is a long time when it comes to recalling minor deatils that you would have never thought to commit to memory at the time. Adams recalled the position on the first floor where she encountered Lovelady and Shelley. She marked on a floor plan about where it was. What are we to make of that?

What are we to make of that?

As the combined testimony of Adams, Shelley and Lovelady make it impossible for that encounter to have happened, one has to consider the possibility that she remembered incorrectly.

It's the only element that simply doesn't fit in an otherwise pretty solid time line. And not only that, it couldn't possibly fit which ever way to look at it.

As Adams and Styles were coming of the stairs, regardless if that was at 12.31 or 12.34, Shelley and Lovelady where outside the building from the moment the shots were fired until 12.35, one minute before the place was sealed off.

If the encounter had taken place just after 12.35, Adams and Styles wouldn't have been allowed out of the building by police at the back of the TSBD, but more importantly, by the time Shelley and Lovelady did enter the 1st floor, at 12.35, Styles and Adams were at the main entrance of the building.

In my view there are three options;

1. The encounter never happened and Adams remembered something that never took place.
2. The girls crossed paths with Shelley and Lovelady at the parking lot and Adams only parcially remembered
3. The testimony of Adams was tampered with.

If there is a fourth option, please let me know, because I can't think of it....