Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #147 on: March 30, 2020, 07:22:03 PM »
Nah. In the context of detectives using a generic description for a bolt action rifle.

The claim being they thought it was a model 1891 Argentine Mauser because it most resembled the TSBD Carcano.
However the Argentine Mausers had easily identifiable markings.

https://gunsinthenews.com/1891-argentine-mauser-history/

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"All of the 1891 Argentine Mauser rifles and carbines were manufactured in Berlin first at Ludwig Loewe & Company, and after 1896 at Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken Aktien-Gesellschaft (“DWM”)." 



(l.)" A 90-degree turndown bolt handle was standard on carbines. (ctr.) Graduated out to 2,000 meters, the rear sight also folds flat. (r.) Rollmarked from Berlin and shipped to Argentina, , the 1891 Mauser would also have the Argentine national crest on the front receiver band. Whether made by Loewe or DWM, the 1891 Argentine Mausers are beautifully made firearms well-known for their spectacular receiver markings. In addition to the model designation and the manufacturer information,"

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #148 on: March 30, 2020, 07:37:47 PM »
'Coke' is a generic term, as in let's go for a Coke
'Kleenex' is a generic term for all brands of facial tissue
'Mauser' is a generic term for all bolt-action rifles
'Oswald' is a generic term for all the other shooters




Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #149 on: March 30, 2020, 09:16:38 PM »
 
'Coke' is a generic term, as in let's go for a Coke
'Kleenex' is a generic term for all brands of facial tissue
'Mauser' is a generic term for all bolt-action rifles
'Oswald' is a generic term for all the other shooters
& 'Chapman' is a generic term for trolls.
I just couldn't help that one :-\

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #150 on: March 30, 2020, 09:44:05 PM »
Avoided at every turn following his death were the statements of Lee Oswald that he had reportedly told Capt Fritz he saw a couple of rifles in the TSBD that week. Failing to recap what inspired that account...the Commissioners called Mr Warren Caster to relay his involvement in all of this.
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Mr. BALL. And then you went back to work, I guess?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I picked both rifles up in cartons just like they were, this was during the noon hour, and as I entered the Texas School Book Depository Building on my way up to the buying office, I stopped by Mr. Truly's office, and while I was there we examined the two rifles that I had purchased.
Mr. BALL. Did you take them out of the carton?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. Who was there besides you and Mr. Truly?
Mr. CASTER. Well, I'm not really sure who was there. I think you were there, Bill, and Mr. Shelley was there---and Mr. Roy Truly. The only people that I know about, in any event, were there; there were workers there at the time, but I'm not quite sure how many. I couldn't even tell you their names. I don't know the Texas School Book Depository workers there in the shipping department
Mr. BALL. In that office, though, Truly's office, how many were there?
Mr. CASTER. We weren't in Mr. Truly's immediate office, we were just there over the counter. 
Caster dodged that question. Who told him to?
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Well, I'm not really sure who was there. I think you were there, Bill, and Mr. Shelley was there---and Mr. Roy Truly.
Yeah, uh Oswald being there must have slipped his mind ::)
How many WERE there Mr Caster?
Notice how any recollection of Oswald's presence when the rifles were viewed were circumvented by the entire proceeding?
Way to go there--truth was our only client. Truth got screwed at every turn.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #151 on: March 30, 2020, 10:04:52 PM »
Avoided at every turn following his death were the statements of Lee Oswald that he had reportedly told Capt Fritz he saw a couple of rifles in the TSBD that week. Failing to recap what inspired that account...the Commissioners called Mr Warren Caster to relay his involvement in all of this.  Caster dodged that question. Who told him to? Yeah, uh Oswald being there must have slipped his mind ::)
How many WERE there Mr Caster?
Notice how any recollection of Oswald's presence when the rifles were viewed were circumvented by the entire proceeding?
Way to go there--truth was our only client. Truth got screwed at every turn.

Oswald being there must have slipped his mind ::)

Yes...And If Lee hadn't told Fritz that he'd seen ---" ( this?) rifle and two other's"---  outside of Mr Truly's office the day before yesterday ( quote from Hosty's notes)  The police would never have known about Mr Caster's rifles.....

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #152 on: March 30, 2020, 10:22:35 PM »
Avoided at every turn following his death were the statements of Lee Oswald that he had reportedly told Capt Fritz he saw a couple of rifles in the TSBD that week. Failing to recap what inspired that account...the Commissioners called Mr Warren Caster to relay his involvement in all of this.  Caster dodged that question. Who told him to? Yeah, uh Oswald being there must have slipped his mind ::)
How many WERE there Mr Caster?
Notice how any recollection of Oswald's presence when the rifles were viewed were circumvented by the entire proceeding?
Way to go there--truth was our only client. Truth got screwed at every turn.


FBI agent James Hosty who was there at the first interrogation of Lee Oswald kept his hand scribbled notes of the interrogation.
 Hosty scribbled...Quote--- "Day before yesterday,  Mr Truley had rifle and two others 1st floor outside office"--- unquote

Notice how Lee Oswald's statement matches Caster's statement with regard to the location where the rifles were being displayed and seen.

Those who deny that Lee told Cap't. Fritz ( and Hosty) that he had seen this rifle and two others outside Mr Truly's office ...always try to argue that Hosty meant that there were two other men outside Truly's office that Wednesday ...But here's what Mr Caster said about the number of men who were there...

Mr. CASTER. "Well, I'm not really sure who was there. I think you were there, Bill, and Mr. Shelley was there---and Mr. Roy Truly. The only people that I know about, in any event, were there; there were workers there at the time, but I'm not quite sure how many. I couldn't even tell you their names".

There most certainly was more than "two other men"....   Lee was referring to the number of rifles that he saw..... this "rifle and two other's" and NOT the number of men.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #153 on: March 30, 2020, 11:27:21 PM »
& 'Chapman' is a generic term for trolls.
I just couldn't help that one :-\

'Chapman' is generic for the hunters of trolls
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 11:29:32 PM by Bill Chapman »