Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[Walt Cakebread]

I'm not the one who wants to piss on someone's grave just because he was tying to alert you about the conspiracy. Get a grip. And you don't know jack shit about whether a Mauser was found in the TSBD based on whether Craig was lying about reading the barrel. Craig was apparently one of the few non-conspirators at the scene and he also claimed he saw 3 hulls near the window lined up no more than an inch apart. You think he was lying about that too, don't you? Who didn't change their story back then once they realized this was a conspiracy and their life was in danger? Weitzman comes to mind. If Craig was lying it was to out the conspiracy. And for that, you call him a mental case and you want to piss on his grave. Get help you sick bastard.

I detest Roger Craig because with his lying he he has created a huge obstacle  to getting to the truth.....   Many mini minds actually believe that the rifle was a Mauser because of Roger Craig.   They believe him and refuse to use their own God given eyes and minds.

[Gary Craig]

Walt's 6 year-old is hyperbole, but he's right. Few bolt action rifle designs have a fixed magazine that projects down from the forestock. Of those, the shape of the Carcano's is unique. You can see the shape of the mag housing clearly in the Alyea film, and there's no question that the rifle seen in the film is a Carcano.

If it's that easy to see what kind of a rifle it was, how did Boone and Weitzman not see it?
They were in the room at arm's length when it was found.

They both hand wrote reports saying it was a Mauser.
Then signed sworn notarized affidavits saying same.
In fact Weitzman signed an affidavit on the 23rd saying it was a Mauser.

The logical conclusion, IMO, if the film is so conclusive of a Carcano being found, is that there was a second rifle found that wasn't recorded on film. Or if it was,  that film was ghosted.


 

[Walt Cakebread]

If it's that easy to see what kind of a rifle it was, how did Boone and Weitzman not see it?
They were in the room at arm's length when it was found.

They both hand wrote reports saying it was a Mauser.
Then signed sworn notarized affidavits saying same.
In fact Weitzman signed an affidavit on the 23rd saying it was a Mauser.

The logical conclusion, IMO, if the film is so conclusive of a Carcano being found, is that there was a second rifle found that wasn't recorded on film. Or if it was,  that film was ghosted.

If it's that easy to see what kind of a rifle it was, how did Boone and Weitzman not see it?

It's very easy to see that the rifle was a Mannlicher Carcano...because we can use 20 /20 hindsight.... We have the ability to compare the Alyea film images against the pictures in gun books or on line gun websites.... But at the time the rifle was discovered hidden beneath the boxes of books nobody recognized the unusual rifle.  Weitzman made a WAG in attempting to identify the rifle but he was wrong.

[Mitch Todd]

You assume Craig was lying because you think the film contradicts his testimony. Instead you believe Fritz, Day and Weitzman and you think the film is gospel
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Originally Craig said that at the time that Fritz and Day were examining the rifle he saw the words "7.65 Mauser stamped right there on the barrel" 

Later when he was being question by the Newspaper reporter he said that the Mauser was found" LATER THAT AFTERNOON" on the roof of the TSBD.

I'm sure that even you can see the problem......   But I'll explain it for you...  If the Mauser wasn't found until after Craig left the TSBD at around 2:00 pm then he sure as hell couldn't have seen what he claimed he had seen.
[...]
You need professional mental help Mr Trojan......

You have the timeline backwards, Walt. The "Mauser 7.65" claim didn't appear until 1973. It went like this:

Craig didn't mention the rifle at all in his 11/23/63 DCSD report. The rifle is also not mentioned in his 11/23/63 FBI interview.  In his WC testimony in the spring of '64, he testified to being present when the rifle was found, but nothing about its make or caliber. In his '68 LA Free Press interview, he said he didn't know what kind of rifle it was, but had heard that the Mauser was found on the roof. Testifying at the Shaw trial a year later, Craig recounts being present for the discovery of the rifle, never describes it as a Mauser, despite having the opportunity to do so. In his magnum opus, When They Kill a President, Craig said that Weitzman ID'ed the rifle as a Mauser, but Craig remained silent on his own identification of it.  Finally, in 1973, Craig claimed to have seen "Mauser 7.65" on the weapon.
 

[Mitch Todd]

If it's that easy to see what kind of a rifle it was, how did Boone and Weitzman not see it?
They were in the room at arm's length when it was found.

They both hand wrote reports saying it was a Mauser.
Then signed sworn notarized affidavits saying same.
In fact Weitzman signed an affidavit on the 23rd saying it was a Mauser.

The logical conclusion, IMO, if the film is so conclusive of a Carcano being found, is that there was a second rifle found that wasn't recorded on film. Or if it was,  that film was ghosted.

To say that a rifle looks like a Carcano, you have to know what a Carcano looks like to begin with. There is no evidence that either Boone or Weitzman had any idea of what a Carcano was, much less what one might look like. Boone said that he didn't know what it was, but simply repeated what he heard someone else say, so Boone's testimony proves nothing other than he had ears. Weitzman for his part simply said he made a mistake, and there is no evidence otherwise.

The rest is just a big pile that your own imagination has stacked up.

[Gary Craig]

To say that a rifle looks like a Carcano, you have to know what a Carcano looks like to begin with. There is no evidence that either Boone or Weitzman had any idea of what a Carcano was, much less what one might look like. Boone said that he didn't know what it was, but simply repeated what he heard someone else say, so Boone's testimony proves nothing other than he had ears. Weitzman for his part simply said he made a mistake, and there is no evidence otherwise.

The rest is just a big pile that your own imagination has stacked up.

[Gary Craig]