Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

[Bill Chapman]

"Oswald may very well have been so skilled. I noted earlier in the text that Marina Oswald was disturbed by Lee’s repeated dry-firing speed drills on their New Orleans front porch."

HSCA Report, Volume XI
Current Section: Wesley Liebeler
OSWALD"S RIFLE CAPABILITY
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On top of all the faults found in the Carcano by a team of Army sharpshooters the WC employed to test it's capabilities as JFK's murder weapon, WC counsel Wesley Liebeler pointed out, in his critique of LHO's rifle capabilities, that Marina first answered that she didn't know what Lee was doing on the porch in New Orleans but then was led to the correct answer.

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Warren Commission Hearings, Volume I
Current Section: Mrs. Lee Harvey Oswald

~snip~

Mrs. OSWALD. No. I know for sure that he didn't. But I know that we had a kind of a porch with a---screened-in porch,
and I know that sometimes evenings after dark he would sit there with his rifle. I don't know what he did with it. I
came there by chance once and saw him just sitting there with his rifle. I thought he is merely sitting there and resting.
Of course I didn't like these kind of little jokes.
Mr. RANKIN Can you give us an idea of how often this happened that you recall?
Mrs. OSWALD. It began to happen quite frequently after he was arrested there in connection with some demonstration and
handing out of leaflets.
Mr. RANKIN. Was that the Fair Play for Cuba demonstration?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. From what you observed about his having the rifle on the back porch, in the dark, could you tell whether or
not he was trying to practice with the telescopic lens?

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Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. I asked him why. But this time he was preparing to go to Cuba.
Mr. RANKIN. That was his explanation for practicing with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD Yes. He said that he would, go to Cuba. I told him I was not going with him---that I would stay here.
Mr. RANKIN. On these occasions when he was practicing with the rifle, would they be three or four times a week in the
evening, after the Fair Play for Cuba incident?

~snip~

Cool that you believe Marina. Sometimes.
And somebody said that Marina heard clicking sounds from the porch

I suggested this:

Testers did not have but a few moments to practice the bolt action. Working the bolt is where the rubber meets the road. The guy in the window had just enough practice, apparently. Just as apparent, the testers did not. You can test until doomsday, but the guy in the window showed how to knock off the guy in the limo. He 'just did it' instead of trying to match a predetermined time sequence.

Pssst... if anyone ever points a Carcano at you, I suggest you duck.

[Charles Collins]

Also this...

Bob:You came back just  to look for  more…?

Carl: Down here  to finish up what we  were  doing  here  -  we  had an  awful lot  of work here.  Drawings, and  photos  and so  forth;  the whole area  on the  sixth floor, not just that one area  which we  were  working  in.  When  I  came back from the  City  Hall, after  I‟d placed the  gun up there,  I  came up on the  second floor,  and  I  run into Mr. Truly, who was the  manager of  this School Book Depository.   It so happened that  he  and  I  went to the  same  church.   I  didn‟t really  know him, but  he  and  I  both went out  there  to my church.   And he  started  walking  back with me, and he  told me that an officer came in after the  shooting, and he  started up the  stairs, they  walked, on the  second floor, they walked back to the  back  wall, and then west to the  northeast corner where  the  stairs and the elevator were.  Well, on that floor there  was a little  lunchroom.  Mr. Truly  said that as he  and the officer  came up to that lunchroom, Oswald was standing  there  by  the Coke machine or  some  vending  machine.  The  officer drew his  gun, and he  asked Mr. Truly  if he  knew the  man,  and Mr. Truly  told him,  yes, he  worked there.  They  just  let him  go on, walk on out  the building.   Apparently  he  had just  come down from the  sixth floor after the shooting  and when they  approached him, he  just acted like he  was  getting  something out of the  machine there.

Day came back and talks of going up to the second floor and Talking with Truly. No mention of noticing the bag on its way out and getting samples from the wrapping table then as some have suggested. Did Day come back and go up the front stairs and then across to the NW corner stairway as he and Sudebaker had done when first entering?

Did Day come back and go up the front stairs and then across to the NW corner stairway as he and Sudebaker had done when first entering?

In his signed memo dated 1/8/64 (CE 3145) Day states that he returned to the TSBD about 2:45. Plenty of time to go up to the sixth floor and return back down to the shipping area before the bag was taken out at about 3:00. If that is what happened.

[Colin Crow]

Did Day come back and go up the front stairs and then across to the NW corner stairway as he and Sudebaker had done when first entering?

In his signed memo dated 1/8/64 (CE 3145) Day states that he returned to the TSBD about 2:45. Plenty of time to go up to the sixth floor and return back down to the shipping area before the bag was taken out at about 3:00. If that is what happened.

Point is when did Day notice the wrapping area? When did he take the bag to the table to compare the materials and get samples? Studebaker mentions nothing of this in his testimony. Day says he left the bag with Hicks and Studebaker to bring in. Hicks did not arrive until after 3pm. Why was key evidence removed by Montgomery and Johnson? Who authorised them to do that that and why? Studebaker did not leave the TSBD until about 1am. Where is the chain of possession of the paper samples and where is the documentation for their entry into evidence?

[Pat Speer]

Did Day come back and go up the front stairs and then across to the NW corner stairway as he and Sudebaker had done when first entering?

In his signed memo dated 1/8/64 (CE 3145) Day states that he returned to the TSBD about 2:45. Plenty of time to go up to the sixth floor and return back down to the shipping area before the bag was taken out at about 3:00. If that is what happened.

Funny thing about that 1/8/64 letter from Day--he never mentions finding the bag. Hmmm... By then, the FBI had dragged out of Day and Fritz etc that Frazier had been shown the bag and had stated as fact that it was not the bag he saw in Oswald's possession. It seems that scared the DPD out of using it as evidence against Oswald, which would explain why they never got their stories straight. As far as they were concerned, it was like that stinking map--non-evidence. But the FBI and WC wouldn't let it go, and kept asking them about it, which resulted in the incredible mess we have today--with multiple men claiming they discovered the bag, or saw it discovered, and none of them telling a consistent or credible story about when and where it was found. 

[Colin Crow]

Funny thing about that 1/8/64 letter from Day--he never mentions finding the bag. Hmmm... By then, the FBI had dragged out of Day and Fritz etc that Frazier had been shown the bag and had stated as fact that it was not the bag he saw in Oswald's possession. It seems that scared the DPD out of using it as evidence against Oswald, which would explain why they never got their stories straight. As far as they were concerned, it was like that stinking map--non-evidence. But the FBI and WC wouldn't let it go, and kept asking them about it, which resulted in the incredible mess we have today--with multiple men claiming they discovered the bag, or saw it discovered, and none of them telling a consistent or credible story about when and where it was found.

If the bag was made by Studebaker to wrap the rifle for transport, technically the comment written by Day on the bag was correct. If the rifle had been placed on the paper during construction it would be the inside that was important if evidence was transferred to the paper at that time. Studebaker was alone and in charge while Day was away and he was an "apprentice" at best. Transferring the bag to the FBI might make sense if Day felt it might be useful, containing material to the inside during constriction. Day was likely unaware of Montgomery holding the bag in such a fashion to contaminate and lose material during transport. The problem for the Crime Lab was when it was claimed by the FBI that it contained Oswald's prints. At that point they were in a bind.

The other point about the curtain rod/bag story is that it originated with Frazier many hours after his sister talked to Adamcek at the Paine’s. We were told she was aware the day before of the reason for Oswald's unusual visit yet failed to mention it to the police.

[Jack Nessan]

And they are all dead and buried, so you can easily make such an unverifiable and meaningless claim......

That fact they were killed during the war by the Italians is the point. The carcano was an accurate rifle.

 

[Jack Nessan]

Funny thing about that 1/8/64 letter from Day--he never mentions finding the bag. Hmmm... By then, the FBI had dragged out of Day and Fritz etc that Frazier had been shown the bag and had stated as fact that it was not the bag he saw in Oswald's possession. It seems that scared the DPD out of using it as evidence against Oswald, which would explain why they never got their stories straight. As far as they were concerned, it was like that stinking map--non-evidence. But the FBI and WC wouldn't let it go, and kept asking them about it, which resulted in the incredible mess we have today--with multiple men claiming they discovered the bag, or saw it discovered, and none of them telling a consistent or credible story about when and where it was found.

Day's final comment on the whole bag story makes the most sense about what happened that day. They found it but the detectives moved it before it was processed and the rest is just hoping the whole thing will go away. It is obvious they did not get together and fabricate a storyline. To their credit they did not try and stage the photo. Obviously they could not get their story straight about the discovery of the bag. Day's description of what it looked like in the corner when he first saw the bag is fairly descriptive.

Mr. DAY. I mean the pipe. The sack was between the pipe and the wall at the top of the picture.
Mr. BELIN. That wall at the top of the picture would be the east wall, would it not?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir; laying parallel to the south wall.
Mr. BELIN. Did the sack--was it folded over in any way or just lying flat, if you remember?
Mr. DAY. It was folded over with the fold next to the pipe, to the best of my knowledge.