Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #553 on: March 22, 2020, 10:01:05 PM »
Like you actually know for a fact what the shooter was aiming at, or what weapon fired the shots that hit Kennedy and Connally.

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Offline James Hackerott

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #554 on: March 22, 2020, 11:26:45 PM »
Thanks James....  It certainly appears that the time that Montgomery and Johnson departed the TSBD with that huge paper sack was around 3:00pm.

I wonder if you've used the shadows to determine what time Detective Day left the TSBD with the carcano.     I believe that Day departed at about 2:10 and returned to the TSBD about an hour later.....  Or around 3:15.....  If that is true, then Montgomery left with the paper sack before Day returned, and Day never saw this bag in the imaginary "Sniper's Nest"
I found some very interesting and some new (to me) films taken as Lt. Day left by the doorway steps, walks with the rifle about half-way to the corner, stops and poses for photographers. He then walks past the corner toward his car. Quite fortunately for this subject several film frames catch the TSBD's shadow as it creeps upward with time. Richard Trask, in his “Pictures of The Pain”, states this time is about 13:45. Walter seems to like around 14:10 for the time. This new video shows the time is 1:56pm within 1 or 2 minutes.

20200323 Edit- I retract all of the next paragraph. It's just not right. and I'm very sorry.

The result follows from my 3D simulation at 13:30-14:30 showing that the shadow reaches the height of the lower DalTex ledge below the second floor.  Anyone can, and I encourage, verify this timing while in Dealey Plaza with sunshine. Note and photograph when the shadow reaches this height on the DalTex. Just record the date and accurate time. From that we can determine the sun's azimuth altitude at that time and work backwards to the equivalent time of November 22, 1963.
 
Credit Helmer Reenberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep-L8ZBnJxU






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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #555 on: March 22, 2020, 11:48:24 PM »
Many thanks James.   Thumb1:

Online Charles Collins

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #556 on: March 22, 2020, 11:48:42 PM »
I found some very interesting and some new (to me) films taken as Lt. Day left by the doorway steps, walks with the rifle about half-way to the corner, stops and poses for photographers. He then walks past the corner toward his car. Quite fortunately for this subject several film frames catch the TSBD's shadow as it creeps upward with time. Richard Trask, in his “Pictures of The Pain”, states this time is about 13:45. Walter seems to like around 14:10 for the time. This new video shows the time is 1:56pm within 1 or 2 minutes.

The result follows from my 3D simulation at 13:30-14:30 showing that the shadow reaches the height of the lower DalTex ledge below the second floor.  Anyone can, and I encourage, verify this timing while in Dealey Plaza with sunshine. Note and photograph when the shadow reaches this height on the DalTex. Just record the date and accurate time. From that we can determine the sun's azimuth at that time and work backwards to the equivalent time of November 22, 1963.
 
Credit Helmer Reenberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep-L8ZBnJxU






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Excellent work James! I thought that I saw a movie cameraman in a blue sweater in one of the still photos. It might have even been the photo you mentioned in your last post. I wonder if that is the cameraman who filmed what is in the YouTube video?

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #557 on: March 23, 2020, 02:27:57 AM »
Excellent work James! I thought that I saw a movie cameraman in a blue sweater in one of the still photos. It might have even been the photo you mentioned in your last post. I wonder if that is the cameraman who filmed what is in the YouTube video?
Charles, the only color photos of this scene are from Jay Skaggs, as far as I know.. The Skaggs slides all have a blue color cast-which I made a correction for. Skaggs19 shows a man in a sweater? Possibly blue. He is backlit and underexposed but this is probably the man you saw. He does have a movie camera to his eye and aiming just where Day is standing. So yes, I think he could  have filmed at least some of the YouTube film. Perhaps Denis Morrisette knows his ID.

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https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/22067/image-of-lt-j-c-carl-day-holding-rifle-outside-the-book?ctx=7aeaa966-f063-440c-9cbe-0afb9043ac16&idx=15

Cropped, enhanced view of cameraman.in Skaggs19:



Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #558 on: March 23, 2020, 03:20:30 AM »
Back to the sack-----
From the Warren Report.....
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Fibers in paper bag matched fibers in blanket.--When Paul M. Stombaugh of the FBI Laboratory examined the paper bag, he found, on the inside, a single brown delustered viscose fiber and several light green cotton fibers.198 The blanket in which the rifle was stored was composed of brown and green cotton, viscose and woolen fibers.199
The single brown viscose fiber found in the bag matched some of the brown viscose fibers from the blanket in all observable characteristics.200 The green cotton fibers found in the paper bag matched some of the green cotton fibers in the blanket "in all observable microscopic characteristics." 201 Despite these matches, however, Stombaugh was unable to render on opinion that the fibers which he found in the bag had probably come from the blanket, because other types of fibers present in the blanket were not found in the bag. He concluded:     All I would say here is that it is possible that these fibers could have come from this blanket., because this blanket is composed of brown and green woolen fibers, brown and green delustered viscose fibers, and brown and green cotton fibers... We found no brown cotton fibers, no green viscose fibers, and no woolen fibers.
    So if I found all of these then I would have been able to say these fibers probably had come from this blanket. But since I found so few, then I would say the possibility exists, these fibers could have come from this blanket.202 Stombaugh confirmed that the rifle could have picked up fibers from the blanket and transferred them to the paper bag.203 In light of the other evidence linking Lee Harvey Oswald, the blanket, and the rifle to the paper bag found on the sixth floor, the Commission considered Stombaugh's testimony of probative value in deciding whether Oswald carried the rifle into the building in the paper bag.
Coulda..woulda..shoulda...possibly.. maybe.. is not positive evidence.
Gee--- if we only had someone who saw Oswald conspicuously coming into the building carrying a large HEAVY paper package ::)

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #559 on: March 23, 2020, 03:59:37 AM »
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