Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #525 on: March 20, 2020, 11:21:10 PM »
It had what we call a wartime finish on the barrel

Detective Liar Day could get away with blatant lies like this because most folks were ignorant and didn't know that what he was saying was a lie.

A "war time finish" is a dull non reflective finish.....  The process to create that finish was called "Parkerizing"    and the Mannlicher Carcano did not have a parkerized finish.   The carcano has a blued steel finish like many hunting rifles.    And that surface does in fact take and hold fingerprints.


"Detective Liar Day could get away with blatant lies like this because most folks were ignorant and didn't know that what he was saying was a lie."

Turning surplus military rifles into hunting rifles was and is a economical and popular thing in gun cultures like Texas.
If he is lying, many of those listening would know he is. He also knows he won't be challenged by anyone.
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SENATOR COOPER - Have you fired other types of rifles other than the one you used?

Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; the first one I had was a 30-30 Marlin lever type.

SENATOR COOPER - Have you ever seen the rifle that is alleged to have belonged to Lee Oswald?

Mr. BAKER - I saw it, a photograph of it, in the newspaper.

SENATOR COOPER - Do you know what kind of rifle it is?

Mr. BAKER - Not offhand. I heard it was some foreign make gun. Most of the boys down there at the police

department have had dealings with foreign type guns, rifles, you know of this kind, and a lot of them sell them,

and a lot of them rework them, you know, make them into deer rifles.

Offline James Hackerott

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #526 on: March 20, 2020, 11:58:39 PM »
Thanks James....  It certainly appears that the time that Montgomery and Johnson departed the TSBD with that huge paper sack was around 3:00pm.

I wonder if you've used the shadows to determine what time Detective Day left the TSBD with the carcano.     I believe that Day departed at about 2:10 and returned to the TSBD about an hour later.....  Or around 3:15.....  If that is true, then Montgomery left with the paper sack before Day returned, and Day never saw this bag in the imaginary "Sniper's Nest"
I spent much of last night looking for photos or video of Lt. Day as he carried the rifle from the TSBD that I could use for shadow work. I found nine or so, including Skagg's, that showed Day that time at the SFM's emuseum site. 
https://emuseum.jfk.org/search/carl%20day
However, none of these seem immediately useful. I have not given up yet though. I seem to remember, but can't find so far, photos and/or film clips of Day as he descended the steps. If someone could point me to such images they may be usable.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #527 on: March 21, 2020, 03:47:15 PM »

"Detective Liar Day could get away with blatant lies like this because most folks were ignorant and didn't know that what he was saying was a lie."

Turning surplus military rifles into hunting rifles was and is a economical and popular thing in gun cultures like Texas.
If he is lying, many of those listening would know he is. He also knows he won't be challenged by anyone.
IMO


SENATOR COOPER - Have you fired other types of rifles other than the one you used?

Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; the first one I had was a 30-30 Marlin lever type.

SENATOR COOPER - Have you ever seen the rifle that is alleged to have belonged to Lee Oswald?

Mr. BAKER - I saw it, a photograph of it, in the newspaper.

SENATOR COOPER - Do you know what kind of rifle it is?

Mr. BAKER - Not offhand. I heard it was some foreign make gun. Most of the boys down there at the police

department have had dealings with foreign type guns, rifles, you know of this kind, and a lot of them sell them,

and a lot of them rework them, you know, make them into deer rifles.


Turning surplus military rifles into hunting rifles was and is a economical and popular thing in gun cultures like Texas.

This is very true...However ....One of the primary reasons that gun buffs convert military rifles to high powered or hunting rifles is due to the fact that some military rifles were of superior quality.   A sportsman could build a very high quality rifle at a economical price.   BUT   Not many sportsmen started with an inferior, smaller caliber, hard to reload,  rifles, like the Mannlicher Carcano.      The Carcano wasn't worth the time and effort......

If he is lying, many of those listening would know he is. He also knows he won't be challenged by anyone.

This is also very true....A good example of the naivete  and gullibility of the reporters, is DA Henry Wade telling them that the DPD had found Lee Harrrrrrvey Osssssswald's ( Boooo Hisssss) prints on the rifle.    Which was a bare faced lie.....But the reporters swallowed his lie without asking for verification.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #528 on: March 21, 2020, 04:09:53 PM »
Turning surplus military rifles into hunting rifles was and is a economical and popular thing in gun cultures like Texas.

This is very true...However ....One of the primary reasons that gun buffs convert military rifles to high powered or hunting rifles is due to the fact that some military rifles were of superior quality.   A sportsman could build a very high quality rifle at a economical price.   BUT   Not many sportsmen started with an inferior, smaller caliber, hard to reload,  rifles, like the Mannlicher Carcano.      The Carcano wasn't worth the time and effort......

If he is lying, many of those listening would know he is. He also knows he won't be challenged by anyone.

This is also very true....A good example of the naivete  and gullibility of the reporters, is DA Henry Wade telling them that the DPD had found Lee Harrrrrrvey Osssssswald's ( Boooo Hisssss) prints on the rifle.    Which was a bare faced lie.....But the reporters swallowed his lie without asking for verification.

Detective J.C. Day said....."Just looking at it, I thought the chances were slim that we’d find any prints on the rifle itself. It had what we call a wartime
finish on the barrel which would lift out of the stock. That type of surface didn’t take prints well, nor did the wood stock which was too course or rough.


And DA Liar Henry Wade said....."Oh, By the way.... Did I mention that they've found  Oswald's print's on the gun"

So we have Detective Day saying that he didn't think there would be any prints found ( this was long after 2:00 pm Friday afternoon when he had dusted the carcano looking for prints and never found any identifiable prints.) While liar Wade is telling reporters that Day had found prints.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #529 on: March 21, 2020, 04:34:30 PM »
Turning surplus military rifles into hunting rifles was and is a economical and popular thing in gun cultures like Texas.

This is very true...However ....One of the primary reasons that gun buffs convert military rifles to high powered or hunting rifles is due to the fact that some military rifles were of superior quality.   A sportsman could build a very high quality rifle at a economical price.   BUT   Not many sportsmen started with an inferior, smaller caliber, hard to reload,  rifles, like the Mannlicher Carcano.      The Carcano wasn't worth the time and effort......



There is a million WW1 Austrian soldiers that will attest to the quality and accuracy of the Carcano.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #530 on: March 21, 2020, 04:46:22 PM »
There is a million WW1 Austrian soldiers that will attest to the quality and accuracy of the Carcano.

And they are all dead and buried, so you can easily make such an unverifiable and meaningless claim......

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #531 on: March 21, 2020, 04:55:30 PM »
There is a million WW1 Austrian soldiers that will attest to the quality and accuracy of the Carcano.

So you believe that there are a million Austrian veterans still alive and willing to attest to the quality if a mannlicher carcano?   This is proof that you believe in the damnedest BS imaginable.....

Nobody said that the Carcano wasn't an effective weapon......But It sure as hell is grossly inferior to the Mauser or the Springfield.......