Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

[John Iacoletti]

Try to respond better
You'd face those (post#134) asks in court

The Long Brown Bag
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bag.htm
'The bag was photographed being brought out the front of the Depository at 2:19 p.m. (Trask, Pictures of the Pain, p338)

Chapman trying to take on Pat Speer.  Hand me some popcorn.

This can be settled rather quickly by checking Trask (which I will do as soon as I get home).

[Charles Collins]

The conclusions are not “ad hoc" and founded on analysis of the under oath testimonies of those present. Your inability to rebut the testimonies is duly noted. JohnM reposted the image with the title “Oswald's sack" and when asked about the person who took the photo (and when) failed to reply.

I find the notion that Oswald would construct a bag to transport the rifle, find that in order for the rifle to fit disassembled it, then simply leave the open end unsealed during transport, laughable.

I didn’t see anything that required rebuttal. Unless I missed it, Mytton hasn’t responded to this thread at all since he posted the first one. This is unusual, I hope he is just busy and is okay.

This is definitely my own conjecture:

Going from memory, Ruth Paine has said that she doesn’t remember seeing the rifle in the belongings she transported to her house from New Orleans. And that she suspects the rifle could have been in the duffel bag. That makes sense to me. LHO could have disassembled it  (so that less of it would stick out of the top of the duffel bag) and further concealed it in the blanket before he packed it into the duffel bag. At some point the disassembled rifle (in the blanket) was removed from the duffel bag and placed on the floor of the Paine’s garage. If this theory is true, then LHO should have had a pretty good idea of how long to make the paper bag in order to conceal the disassembled rifle while transporting it into the TSBD.

Sealing both ends of the paper bag is your idea. It just doesn’t make sense to me that it was necessary or desirable.

[Colin Crow]

Maybe more laughable is you think someone would have no choice but to leave dozens of Carcano parts loose inside the bag and than the untaped end was spring-loaded to pop open.

Do you think Oswald constructed the bag with the intention of transporting the rifle intact?

[Colin Crow]

I didn’t see anything that required rebuttal. Unless I missed it, Mytton hasn’t responded to this thread at all since he posted the first one. This is unusual, I hope he is just busy and is okay.

This is definitely my own conjecture:

Going from memory, Ruth Paine has said that she doesn’t remember seeing the rifle in the belongings she transported to her house from New Orleans. And that she suspects the rifle could have been in the duffel bag. That makes sense to me. LHO could have disassembled it  (so that less of it would stick out of the top of the duffel bag) and further concealed it in the blanket before he packed it into the duffel bag. At some point the disassembled rifle (in the blanket) was removed from the duffel bag and placed on the floor of the Paine’s garage. If this theory is true, then LHO should have had a pretty good idea of how long to make the paper bag in order to conceal the disassembled rifle while transporting it into the TSBD.

Sealing both ends of the paper bag is your idea. It just doesn’t make sense to me that it was necessary or desirable.

You believe the rifle had previously been transported in Oswald's duffel bag. Oswald regularly had Marina do his washing when he went to the Paine's on weekends. He had not visited the previous weekend so there was no need for any curtain rod story. He simply could have used an excuse about laundry to Frazier and used the duffel bag to transport the rifle hidden amongst some clothing. There was no need for a paper bag to be constructed. But there was a concoction of a "curtain rod" story by Frazier.

[Pat Speer]

Try to respond better
You'd face those (post#134) asks in court

The Long Brown Bag
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bag.htm
'The bag was photographed being brought out the front of the Depository at 2:19 p.m. (Trask, Pictures of the Pain, p338)

1. This isn't a court room, and if it was, the judge would give you a warning about abusing the witness. I thought we were researchers with a shared interest sharing different viewpoints. You could have asked for more info, instead of jumping to your stance that Hunt and/or myself are liars who'd faked a photo to make a relatively minor point. I mean, do you know anything about Hunt, and all the stuff he found, simply by going to the archives, and looking?

2. I re-checked Trask, again, and you are 100% wrong. While discussing Smith, Trask notes that one of his earliest photos shows the Hertz sign on top of the TSBD, and that it reads 2:19. He then proceeds to discuss a number of photos including the bag photos.

The photo in question, moreover, almost certainly came from Smith. Trask says Smith took two photos of Montgomery. This must be the lesser known of the two. As stated, John Hunt found it in the archives. Here it is.

[Colin Crow]

Mr. BELIN. Was there anything inside the bag, if you know, when you found it?
Mr. DAY. I did not open the bag. I did not look inside of the bag at all.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do with the bag after you found it and you put this writing on after you dusted it?
Mr. DAY. I released it to the FBI agent.
Mr. BELIN. Did you take it down to the station with you?
Mr. DAY. I didn't take it with me. I left it with the men when I left. I left Detectives Hicks and Studebaker to bring this in with them when they brought other equipment in.

Mr. HICKS. I had--my wife, I believe it was called me from her work. She had heard, of the happening and knowing that I was off, of course, she figured I would be called, so when she called me, I called in to Lieutenant Knight, who is also in the identification bureau, and told him that I was getting ready and if they needed me to report, to call me and tell me where to go to, and so he did. Oh, I don't know exactly how long it had taken place and the exact time that he did call me. The time right there, I can't recall. I know I did get to work somewhere around 3.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go to work, at the crime lab?
Mr. HICKS. No, sir; they told me to report directly to Elm and Houston.
Mr. BALL. Did you go down there?
Mr. HICKS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. When you went down there what did you find?
Mr. HICKS. Lieutenant Day--well, first I saw Chief Lumpkin, who told me Lieutenant Day was there in the building and to report to him on the sixth floor, I believe it was and he and Detective Studebaker, I believe it was were the two that were still on that particular floor.
Mr. BALL. Day and Studebaker?
Mr. HICKS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you do some work with them?
Mr. HICKS. Yes; there was--well, no. Lieutenant Day was dusting several items around there for fingerprints at the time and Mr. Studebaker had taken some pictures and was still taking a few others. I assisted him in moving the equipment back and forth and I don't know, I don't believe I actually took any of the pictures upstairs; however, I was there when some of them were taken.


Mr. BALL. Did you ever see a paper sack in the items that were taken from the Texas School Book Depository building?
Mr. HICKS. Paper bag?
Mr. BALL. Paper bag.
Mr. HICKS. No, sir; I did not. It seems like there was some chicken bones or maybe a lunch; no, I believe that someone had gathered it up.
Mr. BALL. Well, this was another type of bag made out of brown paper; did you ever see it?
Mr. HICKS. No, sir; I don't believe I did. I don't recall it.

[John Iacoletti]

1. This isn't a court room, and if it was, the judge would give you a warning about abusing the witness. I thought we were researchers with a shared interest sharing different viewpoints.

Pat, meet Bill Chapman.  He's nothing of the sort.  He's here to exchange pithy one-liners and post irrelevant clips from feature films.  He knows nothing about the case or the evidence, but is really adept at cutting and pasting McAdams and Bugliosi (sometimes without attribution).