Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #154 on: March 04, 2020, 11:51:48 PM »
Your conjecture fails to take in account that Michael Paine said he removed the blanket with content from Ruth's car and placed it in the garage. If you believe that the rifle was in a duffel bag, wrapped in a blanket, then what was the camping equipment that Michael Pained said he thought was in the blanket he took from the car?

It was Ruth Paine's conjecture (see my original statement below). I only added my opinion. If Michael remembered doing that, then the most likely answer is that Ruth's conjecture was not correct. The point is that it is possible that LHO could have sent it back disassembled in order to shorten the length so that it would be less likely to be recognized as a rifle. Or simply so that it would fit better in the blanket and/or station wagon.


Going from memory, Ruth Paine has said that she doesn’t remember seeing the rifle in the belongings she transported to her house from New Orleans. And that she suspects the rifle could have been in the duffel bag

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« Reply #155 on: March 04, 2020, 11:54:04 PM »
Do you also have an idea about how Oswald transported his rifle on a public bus to New Orleans without being noticed? And if you do have such an idea, why would he need another one to transport the rifle from Irving to the TSBD?

Well, let me see... ummm... maybe he could have transported it on the bus (disassembled) in his duffel bag wrapped in a blanket with one end sticking out....

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« Reply #156 on: March 04, 2020, 11:59:46 PM »

Going from memory, Ruth Paine has said that she doesn’t remember seeing the rifle in the belongings she transported to her house from New Orleans. And that she suspects the rifle could have been in the duffel bag. That makes sense to me. LHO could have disassembled it  (so that less of it would stick out of the top of the duffel bag) and further concealed it in the blanket before he packed it into the duffel bag. At some point the disassembled rifle (in the blanket) was removed from the duffel bag and placed on the floor of the Paine’s garage.

So now the duffel bag idea is not making sense to successfully transport the rifle.

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« Reply #157 on: March 05, 2020, 12:09:46 AM »
  I assume James Fetzer and the like are nice people.
Wrong. Fetzer is an idiot.
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In 2013, officials of the University of Minnesota said that "Fetzer has the right to express his views, but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university."[19] He is retired and no longer employed by the university.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Fetzer#Promotion_of_conspiracy_theories

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #158 on: March 05, 2020, 12:12:07 AM »
So now the duffel bag idea is not making sense to successfully transport the rifle.
What makes sense is--- Oswald never had a rifle. That would explain the transport issues.

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« Reply #159 on: March 05, 2020, 12:12:39 AM »
So now the duffel bag idea is not making sense to successfully transport the rifle.

Not into the TSBD “hidden amongst his clothes” as was suggested. Because of its length, it would have stuck out of the bag (not be hidden) and he might be questioned about what it was. Then he would have had to come up with a story anyway (curtain rods wrapped up in a blanket??). The paper bag was a more believable story because it looked similar to the wrapped up curtain rods he likely saw in the garage and what someone might expect curtain rods to be contained in.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #160 on: March 05, 2020, 12:22:33 AM »
Am I correct in understanding that the fingerprint matches on the bag by the FBI consisted of 11 and 18 points?

No. From chapter 4d:

"Latona's exhibits reflect that there were 9 points of similarity between Oswald's left index finger and the bag fingerprint, 15 points of similarity between Oswald's right palm print and the bag palm print, 11 points of similarity between Oswald's right palm print and the palm print on Box D, 13 points of similarity between Oswald's left palm print and the palm print on Box A, 10 points of similarity between Oswald's right index finger and the fingerprint on Box A, and 11 points of similarity between Oswald's right palm print and the lift from the rifle. And yes, you are correct. Only two of these would have been accepted by most American examiners, and none--not one--would have been accepted by a European examiner.

At least not in '63...  Over the decades that followed, the FBI convinced experts around the world that they needn't count points, and that an expert can just "know" when two prints are a match based upon an individualized and instinctual algorithm built upon the number of similar points, and the rarity of these points (aka "hunch").

This was, of course, a recipe for disaster. It was only a matter of time, after all, before an "expert" or group of "experts" came to the wrong conclusion in a high profile case. The first crack in the dam came in 1997 when four Scottish experts found 16 points of similarity between a latent print found at a crime scene and the print of one of the detectives on the scene, even though the detective claimed she hadn't been in that room. This led to her termination, and a 1999 lawsuit in which she proved the "experts" had made a mistake and that the print was not her own. Now, this was a mistake in which 16 points were identified. By 4 experts. It seemed clear, then, that the FBI, with its looser standards, was capable of making a similar mistake.

It took five years for such a mistake to surface. In 2004, the FBI identified the left index fingerprint of Brandon Mayfield, an American Muslim, as the print of a terrorist behind an explosion in Spain. Even though the FBI could find no evidence Mayfield had visited Spain, or had even left the U.S., ever, he was imprisoned. The Spanish authorities, to their credit, rejected this identification, and kept searching. But the U.S. Government, feeling certain the FBI was correct in their identification, refused to release Mayfield. Weeks passed. Eventually, the Spanish authorities matched the print the FBI claimed was Mayfield's to a known terrorist, and the U.S. government agreed to Mayfield's release. He sued the government and was awarded 2 million dollars. Oops.

No, actually it was more than oops. The FBI''s embarrassing mistake led to its re-appraisal of the sanctity of fingerprint evidence, and to its softening its stance regarding the possibility of a misidentification. In doing so, for that matter, the FBI was finally acknowledging what the scientific community had been whispering for decades. The identification of a suspect's fingerprint at a crime scene isn't the sure-fire proof of guilt it was long claimed to be. It just isn't.


The Myth of Fingerprints (1937-2004)

1. No two fingerprints are alike.
2. Fingerprint examination is a precise science, and fingerprint examiners do not make mistakes.
3. Having one’s prints found at a crime scene is a sure sign of guilt.


The Reality of Fingerprints (2004- )

1. Some fingerprints are so similar that an expert can be fooled.
2. Misidentifications are commonplace.
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