The real Jack Ruby

[Ted Shields]

How are you calculating those odds?  If they wanted to shoot him, they would have.  It's not like there was a shortage of cops in the basement.  It might have had something to do with all the TV cameras being there.

So in the 60s in Texas there wasn't a high risk of being shot after firing a gun in a police station? With cops standing around with guns? More than a good chance he could've shot a cop too. Ruby had no idea how it was going to play out.

[John Iacoletti]

So in the 60s in Texas there wasn't a high risk of being shot after firing a gun in a police station? With cops standing around with guns?

Do you always answer a question with a question?  I asked you how you were calculating the odds, not to try to shift the burden yet again.

Maybe Jack Ruby just wasn't as good at calculating odds for various things as you like to think you are.
 

[Jerry Freeman]

I don't even think Oswald really hated Kennedy that much.

Wow! Something we agree on.

Do you always answer a question with a question? 

Usually does.

[Bill Chapman]

See this is the bit thats a stretch, to say the least. Are we suggesting that Jim Leavelle murdered Oswald in the back of the ambulance?! Or was willing to do so but Ruby got lucky and killed him first?

Where was the 3rd patsy? The one to take out the 2nd patsy?

To kill JFK, all they would've needed is for one "patriot" who was "willing to give their life for their country" to shoot JFK at Love Field and then the assassin is killed by one of the Secret Service. Easy. "Oh he shot the president so I shot him". Easy. A conspiracy that requires a handful of people.

Look how easy it would've been.



Actually, at times coming down Main, the car was going so slow, anyone could have jumped into the car and pumped JFKs head full of bullets before any Secret Service had time to react. Why didn't they just do that?

Look how easy it would've been.



Instead we have a conspiracy involving everyone (in Dallas alone) from most of the Dallas police, to the ambulance driver, to the Western Union people, the Paines, Marina, Ruby, the mob, the CIA, the secret service, the coroners, the doctors at Parkland, people planting bullets, removing Mausers and replacing them with Carcanos and so on. Hundreds of people.

FFS. The little prick showed us the easiest way.

[Ted Shields]

Do you always answer a question with a question?  I asked you how you were calculating the odds, not to try to shift the burden yet again.

Maybe Jack Ruby just wasn't as good at calculating odds for various things as you like to think you are.

I didn't calculate anything. I do find common sense tends to be abandoned when it comes to this topic in general though.

As for answering my own questions, no one else answers them!?

Who takes out Ruby? Why was he allowed to live?

How did he know Oswald would ask for a change of clothes?

[John Iacoletti]

I didn't calculate anything. I do find common sense tends to be abandoned when it comes to this topic in general though.

"Common sense" is what people appeal to when they don't have actual evidence for their claims.

As for answering my own questions, no one else answers them!?

Who takes out Ruby? Why was he allowed to live?

I don't know.  See how easy that is to admit?

How did he know Oswald would ask for a change of clothes?

Who said he did?

[Ted Shields]

"Common sense" is what people appeal to when they don't have actual evidence for their claims.

But we have the evidence. He was in bed when Oswald was supposed to be moved. The only reason he got up and went down was because a stripper rang to wire money. We have evidence he chatted to his neighbor. Not rushing. We have evidence of what time he was in the Western Union. We have phone records showing no calls were made advising him on Oswalds release and he made no calls regarding it. The Western Union had no TV or radio on with this info either. Ruby had no walkie talkie with him. There was no one in the WU office giving him visual signals. He simply had no way of knowing when Oswald was going to be moved.

We have evidence that Pierce drove the decoy car driving up the ramp, which meant Roy Vaughn stepped away from the ramp to direct the car out. Of course its possible I suppose that, Vaughn, knowing Ruby may be armed and willing to shoot Oswald, allowed him access. Or maybe another cop. A sort of spur of the moment nod and the cop was happy to let Ruby down to kill him. But theres no evidence for it.

CTers are the people making the claims. That Ruby was a hitman meant to silence Oswald. Theres no evidence for it and fairly strong evidence to suggest otherwise.

I don't know.  See how easy that is to admit?

So do you believe the plotters were happy to just cut Ruby loose after he silenced Oswald? In the absence of any evidence we can only speculate and it makes no sense that they would silence one mouth only to have them replaced with a bigger mouth.

Who said he did?

The Dallas Police. Most of the people who were in the immediate area. As you well know.