The real Jack Ruby

[Jerry Freeman]

Another clip from that--[see link below]
No ...Leavelle is not still cuffed to Oswald. That whole scene speaks of impending doom.
Leavelle did not testify about that ride to Parkland...I guess because he wasn't asked.
 https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/oswald-arrival-at-parkland_dallas-fort-worth/2132877/

[Ted Shields]

You have posted earlier... that one silly little shot from a .38 should not have been enough to kill him.

No, I said it wasn't enough to guarantee that it will kill him. Which, statistically, it isn't. Not even close.

The most likely outcome, 9 times out of 10, is that the victim survives. Especially given how quickly he would've had medical care. Even more likely, is that the person remains conscious. Theres more than a fair argument to suggest that had Oswald survived, and knowing "they" were trying to kill him, he may have been more likely to blab, because what has he got to lose?

Another possibility, is that in his wounded and disorientated state, post shooting, say semi conscious, he may have said things that he didn't even know he was saying.

If Ruby tripped over his shoelace and not shot Oswald, Oswald may have realised the game was up and confessed to whatever he knew right there in the basement in front of the world.

We just don't know.

However apparently "they" were indeed trying very hard to silence Oswald, so obviously worried he was going to talk at some stage.

Which is exactly why organisations like the mob, the CIA etc don't shoot people in the stomach to silence them. Because its very very very unlikely that it will silence them.

They didn't send in some tubby low level mobster to shoot Bin Laden in the stomach with a handgun. They shot him 3 times in the head.

Sam Giancana. Shot 7 times in the head.

Bugsy Siegel. Shot muliple times with an M1. Twice in the head. 

Jack McGurn. Shot 3 times in the head.

Angelo Bruno. Shotgun in the head.

Joe Masseria. Shot 20 times by 4 assassins.

Etc etc.

But this, the most important silencing in history, is left to one man with a .38. I just can't believe that.

I think Ruby is exactly what people said he was. An unstable hot head.

Leavelle did not testify about that ride to Parkland...I guess because he wasn't asked.

He spoke about it many times.

[Jerry Freeman]

No, I said it wasn't enough to guarantee that it will kill him. 
I think Ruby is exactly what people said he was. An unstable hot head.

There are no guarantees in the killing business.
 And the clip I linked in reply # 62...? They just made that up to shine us on-- is that right?
                                                                                                     Anyone? 

[Ted Shields]

There are no guarantees in the killing business.
 And the clip I linked in reply # 62...? They just made that up to shine us on-- is that right?
                                                                                                     Anyone?

You don't actually believe that Al Maddox story do you!?   

Wheres the note?

[John Tonkovich]

I'm not claiming anything.

He shot Oswald at point blank range. Effective result.

None of the studies you bring up are specific to point blank range gunshots.

Ted Shields. Your "9 out of 10" is getting old.

Find a study that covers " point blank" range gunshots, in the early 60s.

[Ted Shields]

Ted Shields. Your "9 out of 10" is getting old.

Find a study that covers " point blank" range gunshots, in the early 60s.

Why is there one that shows a 9/10 kill rate which instantly renders the victim unconscious?

[Jerry Freeman]

You don't actually believe that Al Maddox story do you!? 

What I don't believe is that Ruby was all broken up about Kennedy and his family.
I don't believe that Ruby just happened to coincidentally stroll down into the police basement and just at the right time ..gun down Oswald.