Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?

[Mark A. Oblazney]

For the sake of argument, let us say he saw a man on widow sill before JFK's arrival, then he saw the same man firing a rifle and describing him "in no hurry".  It doesn't make sense that no one else viewed any of this, so if Brennan did see it as he explained,  I would imagine that this man was practically begging to be seen, yet only Brennan alleges to have. There lies the problem, you have others who only corroborate seeing someone up there but sometime before the motorcade, but Brennan says he sees a man before and during the motorcade with his description of the man taking his time as if the man was checking out real estate trends, yet the 10 or 15 seconds before the assassination the film which has a view of that side of the building we see absolutely nothing. Are we supposed to believe from the time where the film cuts out to the time which Brennan describes seeing a man in no hurry that no one else sees oddly was there for like 2 seconds 10 seconds or whatever?

Brennan was on LSD

No, Peter...... I am on LSD.  Maybe Oswald was, too (being mind-controlled by Dr. Evil).  Remember Dock Ellis?

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

No, Peter...... I am on LSD.  Maybe Oswald was, too (being mind-controlled by Dr. Evil).  Remember  Dock Ellis?

I gave it to Dock

[Walt Cakebread]

For the sake of argument, let us say he saw a man on widow sill before JFK's arrival, then he saw the same man firing a rifle and describing him "in no hurry".  It doesn't make sense that no one else viewed any of this, so if Brennan did see it as he explained,  I would imagine that this man was practically begging to be seen, yet only Brennan alleges to have. There lies the problem, you have others who only corroborate seeing someone up there but sometime before the motorcade, but Brennan says he sees a man before and during the motorcade with his description of the man taking his time as if the man was checking out real estate trends, yet the 10 or 15 seconds before the assassination the film which has a view of that side of the building we see absolutely nothing. Are we supposed to believe from the time where the film cuts out to the time which Brennan describes seeing a man in no hurry that no one else sees oddly was there for like 2 seconds 10 seconds or whatever?

Brennan was on LSD

It doesn't make sense that no one else viewed any of this, so if Brennan did see it as he explained,  I would imagine that this man was practically begging to be seen, yet only Brennan alleges to have.

Have you ever heard of a man named Arnold Rowland?....    Mr Rowland also saw the man with the hunting rifle who was dressed in light colored clothing.....

The problem is:  The Warren Commission Liars were bent on discrediting Brennan....  and fed him leading questions and distorted his statements from his affidavit..

It's so patently obvious that Brennan could NOT have been referring to that SE corner window ( the so called "Sniper's Nest") as the place that he had seen the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing who was aiming a hunting rifle ( not a carcano) out of a window.   

No 5' 9" man could have STOOD behind that so called "Sniper's Nest" window and fired down at the motorcade.   Just use your head!....The horizontal bottom sash of the window was about two and a half feet up from the floor....( about crotch high on a 5"9" man)   Since the window was only half way open,... a 5"9" man who attempted to fire a rifle while STANDING  behind the window  ( As Brennan testified) could not have stuck the muzzle of the rifle out of that window and if he fired he would have fired into the window sill beneath the window.    Howard Brenan clearly said in his affidavit that the man had the muzzle of the rifle OUT OF THE WINDOW.....    Obviously Brennan was NOT referring to that SE corner window.     And as verification Brennan testified that he dived to the east side of the reflecting pool wall to put a sheild between himself and the man who was aiming the hunting rifle out of a window.....   The dive to the EAST side of the wall speaks loud and clear that the gunman was WEST of Brennan as he hid behind that wall.    If the gunman had been in the imaginary "Sniper's Nest", Brennan would have been in direct line of fire as he huddled on the east side of that wall.

[Walt Cakebread]

The gunman didn't stand up until after the last shot.



I think the rifle on the box looked more like this. It's well clear of the window sill. If you think it's impossible for someone to shoulder a rifle, rest a hand or part of the rifle on Box "A" and aim it out of the SN window, I can't help you.

IMO, Brennan saw the gunman crouched for the firing and only saw his chest and waist when the gunman stood up after firing.

Brennan didn't see the man's shoulders and head? I thought he did.

Brennan didn't see the man's shoulders and head? I thought he did.

Well, the picture that you've posted would preclude your belief...... So you're a mite confused.....  And yes ...Brennan said that he could see the entire upper portion 'of the man....( that would include his neck and shoulders)



I think the rifle on the box looked more like this. It's well clear of the window sill. If you think it's impossible for someone to shoulder a rifle, rest a hand or part of the rifle on Box "A" and aim it out of the SN window, I can't help you.

Simply count down six bricks from the top of the window ledge and you will know where the floor inside is located.....  A 5' 9" man standing behind that window would have 2/3 of his body above the bottom of the half open window.....So your picture is utter BS!.

[Walt Cakebread]

You're the one confused. That's not the window from Brennan's view. I didn't say it was.

So what? I'm not illustrating your cherry-pick belief that Brennan saw the gunman standing the whole time he last saw him. That would be your BS.

I don't believe the gunman was standing in the SN window during the shots. I believe Brennan only saw him from the waist up when the man got up to leave the SN after the last shot.

Another thing ridiculous that you promote. Than Brennan saw the gunman in the SW window because he had to be seen standing during the shooting. Funny you believe in a particular way one little thing Brennan said and throw everything else out, including his identification of Oswald as the gunman.

I don't believe the gunman was standing in the SN window during the shots. I believe Brennan only saw him from the waist up when the man got up to leave the SN after the last shot.

My dear Mr O,  ... Of course you can BELIEVE anything that floats yer boat....But if you're intellectually honest you'll see that Brennan swore under oath that the man was STANDING and aiming the rifle out of a window AT THE TIME  of the shooting.

Funny you believe in a particular way one little thing Brennan said and throw everything else out, including his identification of Oswald as the gunman.

Of course Brennan did NOT identify Lee Oswald as the gunman.....  Brennan clearly stated that the gunman weighed between 165 and 175 pounds and he was dressed in light colored khaki clothing ...  Brennan would have been a complete loon if he had identified the skinny ( 131 pounds) Lee Oswald who was dressed in DARK  colored clothing as the same man that he had see STANDING and aiming a hunting rifle out of a TSBD window.   And you're the worst kind of liar ( one who lies to himself)  if you say that you think Lee is that 175 pound man.

[Walt Cakebread]

Sorry, Walt, that’s just wrong. He said he was unable to make a positive ID. He didn’t say the man he allegedly saw shooting was not there. They are not the same thing.

Dear John,.... Oh, how I hate to write.....But here's that last sentence of Howard Brennan affidavit of 11/22/63 ....Quote...  "I believe that I could identify  this man if I ever saw him again."...unquote

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

It doesn't make sense that no one else viewed any of this, so if Brennan did see it as he explained,  I would imagine that this man was practically begging to be seen, yet only Brennan alleges to have.

Have you ever heard of a man named Arnold Rowland?....    Mr Rowland also saw the man with the hunting rifle who was dressed in light colored clothing.....

The problem is:  The Warren Commission Liars were bent on discrediting Brennan....  and fed him leading questions and distorted his statements from his affidavit..

It's so patently obvious that Brennan could NOT have been referring to that SE corner window ( the so called "Sniper's Nest") as the place that he had seen the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing who was aiming a hunting rifle ( not a carcano) out of a window.   

No 5' 9" man could have STOOD behind that so called "Sniper's Nest" window and fired down at the motorcade.   Just use your head!....The horizontal bottom sash of the window was about two and a half feet up from the floor....( about crotch high on a 5"9" man)   Since the window was only half way open,... a 5"9" man who attempted to fire a rifle while STANDING  behind the window  ( As Brennan testified) could not have stuck the muzzle of the rifle out of that window and if he fired he would have fired into the window sill beneath the window.    Howard Brenan clearly said in his affidavit that the man had the muzzle of the rifle OUT OF THE WINDOW.....    Obviously Brennan was NOT referring to that SE corner window.     And as verification Brennan testified that he dived to the east side of the reflecting pool wall to put a sheild between himself and the man who was aiming the hunting rifle out of a window.....   The dive to the EAST side of the wall speaks loud and clear that the gunman was WEST of Brennan as he hid behind that wall.    If the gunman had been in the imaginary "Sniper's Nest", Brennan would have been in direct line of fire as he huddled on the east side of that wall.

Ok first would you follow up this idea by stating where exactly is it that you think Brennan saw the man - the man's specific location.