Did Jack Dougherty know how to count?

[Walt Cakebread]

Well, once he's done firing, then it's no longer "at the time he was firing".

So "at the time" really means "after the time" and "stepped down" really means "stepped back".  Got it.   

There's no doubt that Brennan saw the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored clothing STANDING and aiming the hunting rifle out of a window...However that window could NOT have been the SE corner window because that window was not open far enough to allow the man to have the rifle at his shoulder and have the muzzle out of the window.   The horizontal bottom sash would have prevented him from aiming the rifle at Elm street.  ( he would have fired into the window sill beneath that horizontal sash.

[John Iacoletti]

"Stepped down"  probably is referring to the man stepping away from the window.....   Stepping back away from a window would appear as though the man was "stepping down".....    Brennan was six stories down so the man stepping back away from the window would appear as though the man was stepping down.

Personally I would think that it would look like a man stepping back away from the window.

If anything it would look like the man was stepping up when he stood up since Brennan thought he was already standing when he was "taking aim" for the last shot.

[John Iacoletti]

There's no doubt that Brennan saw the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored clothing STANDING and aiming the hunting rifle out of a window...

I'm not very confident that Brennan even knew exactly what he saw as the details kept changing every time he told the story.

[Walt Cakebread]

I'll give it to you again.

Mr. BELIN. At the time you saw this man on the sixth floor, how much of the man could you see?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.

To me, Brennan is talking about the two incidents when he saw the gunman. Not that he saw the gunman "from his belt up" all during the shooting viewing, which is your interpretation.

The gunman was leaning forward in order to use the top of the box (Box "A") to steady the rifle. After the last shot, he straightened up his spine or stood up altogether. Either would expose more of the gunman to Brennan's view. Where do you get "crawl"?

That would be you promoting Brennan as a "loon" because you figure he saw the gunman from the belt up all the while during the shooting.

The gunman was leaning forward in order to use the top of the box (Box "A") to steady the rifle.

That would place the standing gunman BEHIND the stacked boxes.....If he used the boxes as a steadyrest the angle ( about 45 degrees)  from his shoulder to the top of the boxes would have him firing the rifle into the window sill beneath the half open window.

And the stacked boxes would have prevented Brennan from seeing the entire upper portion of the man's body from his belt up.   As a matter of fact if the man was standing behind the boxes as you argue, then Brennan would have been able to see the man's shoulders and head.

 After the last shot, he straightened up his spine or stood up altogether. Either would expose more of the gunman to Brennan's view. Where do you get "crawl"?

[Walt Cakebread]

The gunman didn't stand up until after the last shot.



I think the rifle on the box looked more like this. It's well clear of the window sill. If you think it's impossible for someone to shoulder a rifle, rest a hand or part of the rifle on Box "A" and aim it out of the SN window, I can't help you.

IMO, Brennan saw the gunman crouched for the firing and only saw his chest and waist when the gunman stood up after firing.

Brennan didn't see the man's shoulders and head? I thought he did.

I think the rifle on the box looked more like this.

That would indicate that the STANDING gunman was about four feet tall....  Because we know that the bottom of the open window was about two feet up from the floor ...so the man's shoulder with the rifle against it, would have been about three feet above the floor.....

If the man had been four feet tall and he was standing with that rifle at his shoulder Brennan could not have sen him, because he would have been behind the brick wall on the east side of the window.

[Walt Cakebread]

The gunman didn't stand up until after the last shot.



I think the rifle on the box looked more like this. It's well clear of the window sill. If you think it's impossible for someone to shoulder a rifle, rest a hand or part of the rifle on Box "A" and aim it out of the SN window, I can't help you.

IMO, Brennan saw the gunman crouched for the firing and only saw his chest and waist when the gunman stood up after firing.

Brennan didn't see the man's shoulders and head? I thought he did.

"at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up"....  Brennan's testimony... 

The gunman didn't stand up until after the last shot.

AT THE TIME HE WAS FIRING THE GUN........  from his belt up

Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.....  Brennan's testimony... 

The gunman didn't stand up until after the last shot.

AT THE TIME HE WAS FIRING THE GUN........  from his belt up

Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.

For the sake of argument, let us say he saw a man on widow sill before JFK's arrival, then he saw the same man firing a rifle and describing him "in no hurry".  It doesn't make sense that no one else viewed any of this, so if Brennan did see it as he explained,  I would imagine that this man was practically begging to be seen, yet only Brennan alleges to have. There lies the problem, you have others who only corroborate seeing someone up there but sometime before the motorcade, but Brennan says he sees a man before and during the motorcade with his description of the man taking his time as if the man was checking out real estate trends, yet the 10 or 15 seconds before the assassination the film which has a view of that side of the building we see absolutely nothing. Are we supposed to believe from the time where the film cuts out to the time which Brennan describes seeing a man in no hurry that no one else sees oddly was there for like 2 seconds 10 seconds or whatever?

Brennan was on LSD