As a related issue...Doughterty was totally badgered by Counsel Ball concerning his seeing Oswald entering the building for work that day-----
He said repeatedly that he saw nothing in Oswald's hands and Ball just could not accept that response.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=16234&relPageId=37&search=jack_Dougherty
When Dougherty recalled his whereabouts at the time of the shooting he told the FBI and the WC lawyer that he was on the fifth floor of the TSBD and he heard ONE loud noise that sounded like it came from above the fifth floor.
The legend created by the cover up committee says that there were THREE shots fired from the so called "sniper's nest"..... But Dougherty says he heard just ONE .
Was Dougherty able to count past one?.... Obviously he could because he filled book orders and was required to count the books to fill the orders....
Can anybody offer an explanation as to why Dougherty heard only ONE shot?
He was the only one of the six employees working on the sixth floor-laying project without alibi.
He had a very thin story.
It didn’t make sense that Jack should have returned to work before the rest of his team.
It is questionable that Mr. Dougherty would need to go to the fifth floor to get stock in connection with the floor-laying project.
Employees Jarman, Norman, and Williams did not see Mr. Dougherty anywhere on the fifth floor during the shooting.
It did not seem credible that Mr. Dougherty would have gone to the first floor, found out there were three shots fired, and returned to work as if nothing happened.
No report shows any evidence of Jack or anyone else being on the sixth floor.
Since Dougherty heard shots on the fifth floor, and since the shots were fired at approximately 12:32, Dougherty must have returned to the sixth floor, allegedly to go back to work, around 12:30.
The alleged retardation may have been confused with emotional problems, and if so only furthers suspicion.
Can anybody offer an explanation as to why Dougherty heard only ONE shot?
When Dougherty recalled his whereabouts at the time of the shooting he told the FBI and the WC lawyer that he was on the fifth floor of the TSBD and he heard ONE loud noise that sounded like it came from above the fifth floor.
The legend created by the cover up committee says that there were THREE shots fired from the so called "sniper's nest"..... But Dougherty says he heard just ONE .
Was Dougherty able to count past one?.... Obviously he could because he filled book orders and was required to count the books to fill the orders....
Can anybody offer an explanation as to why Dougherty heard only ONE shot?
JD screwed up his time line....
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We need one of those "perfect call" translators to interpret Jack's testimony.
Maybe he was in the stairs or in the left at the time of some of the shots..
1) He didn't get the memo.
2) Only one shot was fired.
Dougherty would probably be classified as being on the Autism Spectrum today.
Friends of mine have a son who is autistic; and said he has no idea about the value of numbers. He can't do math at all, and once told me he can ski 300mph. He has a job helping to teach autistic kids how to ski, but he screws up anything to do with numbers.
Dougherty would probably be classified as being on the Autism Spectrum today.
Friends of mine have a son who is autistic; and said he has no idea about the value of numbers. He can't do math at all, and once told me he can ski 300mph. He has a job helping to teach autistic kids how to ski, but he screws up anything to do with numbers.
Friends of mine have a son who is autistic
Really? First of all, you don't have any friends, but if you are able to make a friend or two in the future I will not be surprised at the claim of someone having an autistic child which BTW I would not believe. Everybody has an autistic child on a gluten-free diet, both connected to global warming, oops, I mean climate change
:'( Kleinschmuck
I knew I was right.
How is that gluten-free diet, have you found a good cookie recipe yet?
What isn't guesswork is that Brennan often prefaced his responses, in testimony, with 'appeared to be'... which in turn speaks to the fact that he apparently didn't realize that the windows were so close to the floor.
And color and the terms used to describe it is purely subjective; not-to-mention that strong sunlight can lighten any color.
Brennan was manipulated by the WC attorneys[/b].....so his WC testimony isn't the 100% truth.... I use his affidavit, which he gave only about an hour after the murder.
he apparently didn't realize that the windows were so close to the floor.
This is the lame brain response that LNer's have been using for decades... If any LNer could comprehend what Howard Brennan wrote they probably wouldn't use such a stupid response. Howard Brennan said that the man with the HIGH POWERED rifle ( ie Hunting rifle) who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing was STANDING ( and he knew that because ) he could see... Quote..."THE MAN FROM HIS BELT UP."... unquote
If the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing had been kneeling or sitting behind a sixth floor window, Brennan could not have seen the entire upper portion of the man from his belt up.....because Brennan was looking up at about a 30 degree angle and therefore the portion of the building beneath the window would have occluded 75% of the man. If the man had been kneeling Brennan would only have seen his head and shoulders....But he was specific He said that he saw the man place the high powered rifle down at his side and then step back from the window.
Fact: Brennan testified that Jarman & Williams appeared to be standing
Fact: Jarman and Williams were actually kneeling
Ergo: Brennan did not realize the windows were so close to the floor
Brennan was manipulated by the WC attorneys
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Do you have trouble concentrating on the subject being discussed? We are NOT discussing the three stooges....Howard Brennan's statement that he could see all of the man FROM HIS BELT UP as the man STOOD and aimed the high powered rifle out of a window is the subject ....
It makes not an iota of difference if Brennan was lead by the shyster WC attorney to say he thought the three stooges were standing on boxes .....They are not the subject.
The fact that Brennan didn't realize the 6th floor TSBD windows were so close to the floor is of tantamount importance. That fact informs Brennan's 'appeared to me' responses in testimony.
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Jarman/Williams posItions at TSBD windows
The position of the three stooges is irrelevant ..... Brennan clearly stated that he saw the 175 pound man who was wearing light colored khaki clothing.and was aiming the hunting rifle while STANDING so that Brennan was able to see his entire upper body FROM HIS BELT UP.
And yet Brennan stated that Jarman & Williams appeared to be standing as well. These things are important simply because Brennan's not knowing about the lower window height from the floor can cause confusion regarding his testimony.
"Appeared to be".... That's the same as guessing. Brennan did NOT say the the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing and who was aiming a hunting rifle from a window "appeared to be standing" Brennan said the man WAS STANDING and aiming the high powered rifle out of the window....and he could see the man's entire upper body from his belt up....
"Appeared to be".... That's the same as guessing. Brennan did NOT say the the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing and who was aiming a hunting rifle from a window "appeared to be standing" Brennan said the man WAS STANDING and aiming the high powered rifle out of the window....and he could see the man's entire upper body from his belt up....
Mr. BELIN. Would you describe just exactly what you saw when you saw him this last time?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with gun shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot. As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.
Apparently you are not smart enough to understand what you have posted.... So Let's parse Brennan'e statement....
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill, "as it appeared to me'.....Could also be " as I saw it"....
The man, who incidentally was dressed quite differently than Lee Oswald ( the man weighed about 175 pounds and was dressed in LIGHT COLORED KHAKI clothing )
That man was STANDING...or in Brennan's words...Quote ...."he was standing up"....unquote Do you understand those words, Chappie ?
" with gun shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot."
The WC said that Lee Oswald was seated on a box that was back behind a stack of Rolling Readers ..... so he would not have been visible to Brennan because the brick wall of the TSBD beneath the window, and the stack of Rolling Readers boxes, would have blocked his line of sight. But Brennan clearly said that The 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing had the hunting rifle quote..."shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot.".. unquote Do you understand that Brennan's eyewitness account is starkly different than the WC' s account??
"As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.
Perhaps you've never read Brennan's affidavit,l which he gave about an hour after the murder..... In his affidavit he says, quote... "Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight" unquote The affidavit says the Brennan saw the man " let the gun DOWN to his side".... Obviously the man had to be STANDING.....
You claimed Brennan didn't use the term 'it appeared to me' in the description of the shot in question. Look at Brennan's testimony and find who's wrong.
And stop deflecting.
You claimed Brennan didn't use the term 'it appeared to me' in the description of the shot in question. Look at Brennan's testimony and find who's wrong.
And stop deflecting.
Brennan did not see anything. You should understand Brennan better than anyone, he just wanted to feel included.
Either the man actually did see a man aiming a rifle out of a window or he was a loon.
...or both
"Brennan did not see anything."Brennan explains seeing a man and describes it in such a way that no one can support it, meaning Brennan says "taking aim for his last shot"...." he fired last shot or the third shot" and the man was in no great rush or hurry. If this was true, there should be others who saw some part of the slow and methodical assassin. The assassin's process is certainly not described as a split-second action but more like a 5,10 15 second action for one shot. Brennan says "he seemed to pause for a moment". That too is not a split-second. It makes me wonder if this man is still in the window
Wow!.... I cannot imagine how a reasonable person could arrive at such a conclusion......
Please explain why a person who "did not see anything" would jump off his perch, and go directly to a policeman and report that he'd seen a man aiming a rifle out of a TSBD window during the gunfire. Either the man actually did see a man aiming a rifle out of a window or he was a loon.
Brennan explains seeing a man and describes it in such a way that no one can support it, meaning Brennan says "taking aim for his last shot"...." he fired last shot or the third shot" and the man was in no great rush or hurry. If this was true, there should be others who saw some part of the slow and methodical assassin. The assassin's process is certainly not described as a split-second action but more like a 5,10 15 second action for one shot. Brennan says "he seemed to pause for a moment". That too is not a split-second. It makes me wonder if this man is still in the window
Apparently you are not smart enough to understand what you have posted.... So Let's parse Brennan'e statement....
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill, "as it appeared to me'.....Could also be " as I saw it"....
The man, who incidentally was dressed quite differently than Lee Oswald ( the man weighed about 175 pounds and was dressed in LIGHT COLORED KHAKI clothing )
That man was STANDING...or in Brennan's words...Quote ...."he was standing up"....unquote Do you understand those words, Chappie ?
" with gun shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot."
The WC said that Lee Oswald was seated on a box that was back behind a stack of Rolling Readers ..... so he would not have been visible to Brennan because the brick wall of the TSBD beneath the window, and the stack of Rolling Readers boxes, would have blocked his line of sight. But Brennan clearly said that The 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing had the hunting rifle quote..."shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot.".. unquote Do you understand that Brennan's eyewitness account is starkly different than the WC' s account??
"As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.
Perhaps you've never read Brennan's affidavit,l which he gave about an hour after the murder..... In his affidavit he says, quote... "Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight" unquote The affidavit says the Brennan saw the man " let the gun DOWN to his side".... Obviously the man had to be STANDING.....
...or both
You continue to flee from my point. To wit: Brennan's observations are handicapped given that he was unaware of the real distance of the windows from the floor.
Brennan explains seeing a man and describes it in such a way that no one can support it, meaning Brennan says "taking aim for his last shot"...." he fired last shot or the third shot" and the man was in no great rush or hurry. If this was true, there should be others who saw some part of the slow and methodical assassin. The assassin's process is certainly not described as a split-second action but more like a 5,10 15 second action for one shot. Brennan says "he seemed to pause for a moment". That too is not a split-second. It makes me wonder if this man is still in the window
You have no point to flee from.... Brennan didn't need to know the distance from the floor to the window sill..... He said that he saw the man STANDING UP while aiming the rifle out of the window and he could see the entire upper portion of the man's body from his belt up.
Brennan's observations re anybody standing are handicapped given his assumption that Jarman and Williams were standing
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...or neither ;D Let's make sure we cover all possibilities here.
Actually Brennan did not jump off the wall and go directly to the cop....Brennan said that he dived off that wall and took refuge on the Houston street side (east side) of the wall. Then he went to the cop and reported what he had seen. Look at CE 477 on page 62 of the WR and see with your own eyes that Brennan's action of diving to the east side of the wall would have been futile if the man with the rifle had been firing from the so called "Sniper's Nest".... Therefore Brennan was taking cover from the man who was at the WEST end of the building.
No Dumbass.... Brennan's speculation about Williams and Jarman is totally irrelevant ...He clearly said that he saw the man STANDING, and he could see all of the man from his belt up. Does this over tax your tiny brain?
No Dumbass.... Brennan's speculation about Williams and Jarman is totally irrelevant ...He clearly said that he saw the man STANDING, and he could see all of the man from his belt up. Does this over tax your tiny brain?
AnybodyButOswald
Anybody who can be proven.
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Would have had some momentary cover. And I think would have relocated if the shots continued or bystanders started to be struck. Sort of dawned on everyone that the shots were meant for the focal point of the motorcade.
Does Brennan say he saw all that at once in one moment, or was he recalling the range of what he saw over several look-ups?
That Russian guy caught on the Mexican embassy photo might be closer to the 175 lb man with khaki short sleeve shirt and has a rather noticeable bald spot too.
It’s unlikely imo that this reputed assassinations expert would have been authorized by USSR Kruschev
However what if this guy was a rogue element and was hired as a mercenary by “deep state” faction?
When Brennan viewed the line up, he told those cops that the 175 pound man who he had seen wearing light colored khaki clothing was NOT in that line up.
Sorry, Walt, that’s just wrong. He said he was unable to make a positive ID. He didn’t say the man he allegedly saw shooting was not there. They are not the same thing.
Read his testimony concerning the line up....I believe that he said in his testimony that he tried to tell the police that he didn't believe that Lee was the man that he'd seen.
No, that's also wrong.
Mr. BELIN. Now, taking you down to the Dallas Police Station, I believe you said you talked to Captain Fritz. And then what happened?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I was just more or less introduced to him in Mr. Sorrels' room, and they told me they were going to conduct a lineup and wanted me to view it, which I did.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how many people were in the lineup?
Mr. BRENNAN. No; I don't. A possibility seven more or less one. <------ side note: WTF?
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Did you see anyone in the lineup you recognized?
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. And what did you say?
Mr. BRENNAN. I told Mr. Sorrels and Captain Fritz at that time that Oswald--or the man in the lineup that I identified looking more like a closest resemblance to the man in the window than anyone in the lineup.
Mr. BELIN. Were the other people in the lineup, do you remember--were they all white, or were there some Negroes in there, or what?
Mr. BRENNAN. I do not remember. <--- another WTF
Mr. BELIN. As I understand your testimony, then, you said that you told him that this particular person looked the most like the man you saw on the sixth floor of the building there.
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. In the meantime, had you seen any pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald on television or in the newspapers?
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes, on television.
Mr. BELIN. About when was that, do you believe?
Mr. BRENNAN. I believe I reached home quarter to three or something of that, 15 minutes either way, and I saw his picture twice on television before I went down to the police station for the lineup. <--- This alone disqualifies his "closest resemblance" recollection
Mr. BELIN. Now, is there anything else you told the officers at the time of the lineup?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I told them I could not make a positive identification.
But when did Brennan say that "he didn't believe that Lee was the man that he'd seen"?
Thank you for creating and posting the diagram which shows that Brennan's effort to shield himself from the gunman would have been futile if the 175 pound, khaki clad gunman who was STANDING behind a window (an impossibility from that SE corner window) at the SE corner of the TSBD.
Mr. BELIN. Now, I believe you said that after the last shot you jumped off this masonry structure on which you were sitting. Why did you jump off?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, it occurred to me that there might be more than one person, that it was a plot which could mean several people, and I knew beyond reasonable doubt that there were going to be bullets flying from every direction.
Brennan thought more shots might be coming from directions other than the SN window, where he saw the gunman.
I think he saw to the gunman's waist when the gunman stood up after the shooting.
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Wasn't Brennan roughly 40' south of Dillard? His position from the front of the building was about 1/3 more than Dillard. Therefore his view into the open window was greater.
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I think he saw to the gunman's waist when the gunman stood up after the shooting.
But that's not what he said. He said "at the time that he was firing the gun".
"I was looking at the man in this windows at the time of the last explosion.
Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight.
He did not seem to be in any hurry. I could see this man from about his belt up."
Brennan thought more shots might be coming from directions other than the SN window, where he saw the gunman.
I think he saw to the gunman's waist when the gunman stood up after the shooting.
Well, you think wrong, Mr O.... Brennan did NOT say that the man stood up AFTER the shooting.... ( where did you learn to read?)
Brennan said the 175 pound man who was wearing light colored khaki clothing WAS STANDING as he aimed the hunting rifle out of the window....
and he could see the man from his belt up.
Brennan thought more shots might be coming from directions other than the SN window, where he saw the gunman.
Brennan thought more shots might be coming from directions other than the SN window, where he saw the gunman.
This is pure BS!....
Brennan SAW the man with the rifle so he KNEW what he would need to do to put a shield between him and a KNOWN threat. Since Brennan KNEW that he would need to dive to the EAST side of the wall his action clearly says that the man with the hunting rifle was WEST of his location.
But that wasn't "at the time he was firing the gun".
Also note that he says nothing about seeing the man stand up. On the contrary, he says "stepped down".
This makes no sense whatsoever.
He isolates the moment he saw the man "from the belt up" as occurring AFTER the shooting. Not during.
He "stepped down" to go "out of sight". So he must have been elevated just prior.
Since when have you shown an interest in making sense of anything?
That is a direct contradiction with "But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up", not a clarification.
??? How could he have "stepped down"? Are you suggesting the gunman stood up and then got back down and crawled out of the "SN"?
Since when is "making sense" the same as trying to force the evidence to fit the conclusion?
To me, Brennan is talking about the two incidents when he saw the gunman. Not that he saw the gunman "from his belt up" all during the shooting viewing, which is your interpretation.
The gunman was leaning forward in order to use the top of the box (Box "A") to steady the rifle. After the last shot, he straightened up his spine or stood up altogether. Either would expose more of the gunman to Brennan's view. Where do you get "crawl"?
That would be you promoting Brennan as a "loon" because you figure he saw the gunman from the belt up all the while during the shooting.
I'll give it to you again.
Mr. BELIN. At the time you saw this man on the sixth floor, how much of the man could you see?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.
To me, Brennan is talking about the two incidents when he saw the gunman. Not that he saw the gunman "from his belt up" all during the shooting viewing, which is your interpretation.
The gunman was leaning forward in order to use the top of the box (Box "A") to steady the rifle. After the last shot, he straightened up his spine or stood up altogether. Either would expose more of the gunman to Brennan's view. Where do you get "crawl"?
That would be you promoting Brennan as a "loon" because you figure he saw the gunman from the belt up all the while during the shooting.
But that wasn't "at the time he was firing the gun". Also note that he says nothing about seeing the man stand up. On the contrary, he says "stepped down". This makes no sense whatsoever.
'at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up."
How could any intelligent person not be able to comprehend Brennan's simple statement....?????
"At the time" could refer to an interval of time. Does Brennan anywhere say that "at the moment" the gunman was firing, he was visible from the belt up?
... has the "belt up" business at the very end of the sequence of events. The gunman would have straighten up after the last shot and maybe stood up in order to "step down" (step back out of view).
Well, once he's done firing, then it's no longer "at the time he was firing".
So "at the time" really means "after the time" and "stepped down" really means "stepped back". Got it. ::)
"Stepped down" probably is referring to the man stepping away from the window..... Stepping back away from a window would appear as though the man was "stepping down"..... Brennan was six stories down so the man stepping back away from the window would appear as though the man was stepping down.
There's no doubt that Brennan saw the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored clothing STANDING and aiming the hunting rifle out of a window...
I'll give it to you again.
Mr. BELIN. At the time you saw this man on the sixth floor, how much of the man could you see?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.
To me, Brennan is talking about the two incidents when he saw the gunman. Not that he saw the gunman "from his belt up" all during the shooting viewing, which is your interpretation.
The gunman was leaning forward in order to use the top of the box (Box "A") to steady the rifle. After the last shot, he straightened up his spine or stood up altogether. Either would expose more of the gunman to Brennan's view. Where do you get "crawl"?
That would be you promoting Brennan as a "loon" because you figure he saw the gunman from the belt up all the while during the shooting.
The gunman was leaning forward in order to use the top of the box (Box "A") to steady the rifle.
That would place the standing gunman BEHIND the stacked boxes
.....If he used the boxes as a steadyrest the angle ( about 45 degrees) from his shoulder to the top of the boxes would have him firing the rifle into the window sill beneath the half open window.
And the stacked boxes would have prevented Brennan from seeing the entire upper portion of the man's body from his belt up.
As a matter of fact if the man was standing behind the boxes as you argue, then Brennan would have been able to see the man's shoulders and head.
The gunman didn't stand up until after the last shot.
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I think the rifle on the box looked more like this. It's well clear of the window sill. If you think it's impossible for someone to shoulder a rifle, rest a hand or part of the rifle on Box "A" and aim it out of the SN window, I can't help you.
IMO, Brennan saw the gunman crouched for the firing and only saw his chest and waist when the gunman stood up after firing.
Brennan didn't see the man's shoulders and head? I thought he did.
The gunman didn't stand up until after the last shot.
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I think the rifle on the box looked more like this. It's well clear of the window sill. If you think it's impossible for someone to shoulder a rifle, rest a hand or part of the rifle on Box "A" and aim it out of the SN window, I can't help you.
IMO, Brennan saw the gunman crouched for the firing and only saw his chest and waist when the gunman stood up after firing.
Brennan didn't see the man's shoulders and head? I thought he did.
at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up..... Brennan's testimony...
The gunman didn't stand up until after the last shot.
AT THE TIME HE WAS FIRING THE GUN........ from his belt up
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.
For the sake of argument, let us say he saw a man on widow sill before JFK's arrival, then he saw the same man firing a rifle and describing him "in no hurry". It doesn't make sense that no one else viewed any of this, so if Brennan did see it as he explained, I would imagine that this man was practically begging to be seen, yet only Brennan alleges to have. There lies the problem, you have others who only corroborate seeing someone up there but sometime before the motorcade, but Brennan says he sees a man before and during the motorcade with his description of the man taking his time as if the man was checking out real estate trends, yet the 10 or 15 seconds before the assassination the film which has a view of that side of the building we see absolutely nothing. Are we supposed to believe from the time where the film cuts out to the time which Brennan describes seeing a man in no hurry that no one else sees oddly was there for like 2 seconds 10 seconds or whatever?
Brennan was on LSD
No, Peter...... I am on LSD. Maybe Oswald was, too (being mind-controlled by Dr. Evil). Remember Dock Ellis?
For the sake of argument, let us say he saw a man on widow sill before JFK's arrival, then he saw the same man firing a rifle and describing him "in no hurry". It doesn't make sense that no one else viewed any of this, so if Brennan did see it as he explained, I would imagine that this man was practically begging to be seen, yet only Brennan alleges to have. There lies the problem, you have others who only corroborate seeing someone up there but sometime before the motorcade, but Brennan says he sees a man before and during the motorcade with his description of the man taking his time as if the man was checking out real estate trends, yet the 10 or 15 seconds before the assassination the film which has a view of that side of the building we see absolutely nothing. Are we supposed to believe from the time where the film cuts out to the time which Brennan describes seeing a man in no hurry that no one else sees oddly was there for like 2 seconds 10 seconds or whatever?
Brennan was on LSD
The gunman didn't stand up until after the last shot.
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I think the rifle on the box looked more like this. It's well clear of the window sill. If you think it's impossible for someone to shoulder a rifle, rest a hand or part of the rifle on Box "A" and aim it out of the SN window, I can't help you.
IMO, Brennan saw the gunman crouched for the firing and only saw his chest and waist when the gunman stood up after firing.
Brennan didn't see the man's shoulders and head? I thought he did.
Brennan didn't see the man's shoulders and head? I thought he did.
Well, the picture that you've posted would preclude your belief...... So you're a mite confused..... And yes ...Brennan said that he could see the entire upper portion 'of the man....( that would include his neck and shoulders)
I think the rifle on the box looked more like this. It's well clear of the window sill. If you think it's impossible for someone to shoulder a rifle, rest a hand or part of the rifle on Box "A" and aim it out of the SN window, I can't help you.
Simply count down six bricks from the top of the window ledge and you will know where the floor inside is located..... A 5' 9" man standing behind that window would have 2/3 of his body above the bottom of the half open window.....So your picture is utter BS!.
You're the one confused. That's not the window from Brennan's view. I didn't say it was.
So what? I'm not illustrating your cherry-pick belief that Brennan saw the gunman standing the whole time he last saw him. That would be your BS.
I don't believe the gunman was standing in the SN window during the shots. I believe Brennan only saw him from the waist up when the man got up to leave the SN after the last shot.
Another thing ridiculous that you promote. Than Brennan saw the gunman in the SW window because he had to be seen standing during the shooting. Funny you believe in a particular way one little thing Brennan said and throw everything else out, including his identification of Oswald as the gunman.
Sorry, Walt, that’s just wrong. He said he was unable to make a positive ID. He didn’t say the man he allegedly saw shooting was not there. They are not the same thing.
It doesn't make sense that no one else viewed any of this, so if Brennan did see it as he explained, I would imagine that this man was practically begging to be seen, yet only Brennan alleges to have.Ok first would you follow up this idea by stating where exactly is it that you think Brennan saw the man - the man's specific location.
Have you ever heard of a man named Arnold Rowland?.... Mr Rowland also saw the man with the hunting rifle who was dressed in light colored clothing.....
The problem is: The Warren Commission Liars were bent on discrediting Brennan.... and fed him leading questions and distorted his statements from his affidavit..
It's so patently obvious that Brennan could NOT have been referring to that SE corner window ( the so called "Sniper's Nest") as the place that he had seen the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing who was aiming a hunting rifle ( not a carcano) out of a window.
No 5' 9" man could have STOOD behind that so called "Sniper's Nest" window and fired down at the motorcade. Just use your head!....The horizontal bottom sash of the window was about two and a half feet up from the floor....( about crotch high on a 5"9" man) Since the window was only half way open,... a 5"9" man who attempted to fire a rifle while STANDING behind the window ( As Brennan testified) could not have stuck the muzzle of the rifle out of that window and if he fired he would have fired into the window sill beneath the window. Howard Brenan clearly said in his affidavit that the man had the muzzle of the rifle OUT OF THE WINDOW..... Obviously Brennan was NOT referring to that SE corner window. And as verification Brennan testified that he dived to the east side of the reflecting pool wall to put a sheild between himself and the man who was aiming the hunting rifle out of a window..... The dive to the EAST side of the wall speaks loud and clear that the gunman was WEST of Brennan as he hid behind that wall. If the gunman had been in the imaginary "Sniper's Nest", Brennan would have been in direct line of fire as he huddled on the east side of that wall.
Brennan testified that, for 'bullet protection' (as he put it) he dove to the Houston side because the wall was a little higher on that side.
Additionally, any claim that Brennan was talking about the NW window is straight from the far shores of the lunatic fringe.
and you testified too, you are playing make-believe again. I remember when I was a kid.
Dear John,.... Oh, how I hate to write.....But here's that last sentence of Howard Brennan affidavit of 11/22/63 ....Quote... "I believe that I could identify this man if I ever saw him again."...unquote
Ok first would you follow up this idea by stating where exactly is it that you think Brennan saw the man - the man's specific location.
Brennan testified that, for 'bullet protection' (as he put it) he dove to the Houston side because the wall was a little higher.
Additionally, any claim that Brennan was talking about the NW window is straight from the far shores of the lunatic fringe.
Yeah, well, he couldn’t. Even with an unfair and biased lineup. Even after seeing Oswald’s face trumpeted all over television.
Do you believe that Lee Oswald lost about 45 pounds, and changed out of the light colored khaki clothing between 12:30 PM, the time of the shooting, and 5:00 pm the time of the line up??
Obviously not. The bottom line is that despite his later revisionist history, Brennan could not make a positive ID, even in a rigged lineup.
any claim that Brennan was talking about the NW window is straight from the far shores of the lunatic fringe.
Yes, yer right Chappie....Only a lunatic would imagine that the motorcade was traveling along the railroad track at the rear of the TSBD .....The NW corner was at the back of the building, Perhaps you should learn the elementary facts before you post.....
Obviously not. The bottom line is that despite his later revisionist history, Brennan could not make a positive ID, even in a rigged lineup.
The point is my dear Johnny.... Howard Brennan swore that he believed that he"could identify the man if he ever saw him again" He said that only a couple of hours before he went to view the line up in which Lee Oswald was present.
And you raise an excellent point in pointing out that Brennan saw Lee Oswald on the television prior to going to view the line up. That occurred only a hour or so after he gave his affidavit in which he swore that he thought that he would be able to identify the 175 pound man if he ever saw him again.
If the man that he had seen aiming the hunting rifle out of a window had been Lee Oswald he would have recognized him ....
Do you believe that Lee Oswald lost about 45 pounds, and changed out of the light colored khaki clothing between 12:30 PM, the time of the shooting, and 5:00 pm the time of the line up??
Did Brennan ever say the man arrested (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the wrong man?
Did Brennan ever say the man arrested (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the wrong man?
As a matter of fact I believe he did.... But the cops wouldn't listen.....
Did Brennan ever say the man arrested (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the wrong man?
Did Brennan ever say the man arrested (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the wrong man?
Did Brennan ever say the man arrested (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the wrong man?
It seems to me that Brennan was being badgered to ID Lee Oswald as the man that he had seen with a hunting rifle who was standing behind a TSBD window....
And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember the specific color of any shirt that the man with the rifle was wearing?
Mr. BRENNAN. No, other than light, and a khaki color--maybe in khaki. I mean other than light color--not a real white shirt, in other words. If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side.
Mr. BELIN. I am handing you what the court reporter has marked as Commission Exhibit 150.
Does this look like it might or might not be the shirt, or can you make at this time any positive identification of any kind?
Mr. BRENNAN. I would have expected it to be a little lighter--a shade or so lighter.
Mr. BELIN. Than Exhibit 150?
Mr. BRENNAN. That is the best of my recollection.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Could you see the man's trousers at all?
Do you remember any color?
Mr. BRENNAN. I remembered them at that time as being similar to the same color of the shirt or a little lighter. And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.
Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by that?
Mr. BRENNAN. That he was not dressed in the same clothes that I saw the man in the window.
Mr. BELIN. You mean with reference to the trousers or the shirt?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, not particularly either. In other words, he just didn't have the same clothes on.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Don't you have a theory that Oswald changed his shirt and pants at the rooming house? Maybe Brennan noticed the clothing change, or maybe Oswald had the same shirt on as he had on earlier and it just appeared different under artificial light.
Mr. BELIN. Well, what happened in between to change your mind that you later
decided to come forth and tell them you could identify him?
Mr. BRENNAN. After Oswald was killed, I was relieved quite a bit that as far as
pressure on myself of somebody not wanting me to identify anybody, there
was no longer that immediate danger.
Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not your having seen Oswald on
television would have affected your identification of him one way or the other?
Mr. BRENNAN. That is something I do not know.
Mr. BELIN. Mr. Brennan, could you tell us now whether you can or cannot
positively identify the man you saw on the sixth floor window as the same
man that you saw in the police station?
Mr. BRENNAN. I could at that time I could, with all sincerity, identify him as
being the same man.
I know Brennan had some problems, like other witnesses. I don't expect them to record details as if they were digital cameras. Some witnesses are only accurate on a few big things and weak on lesser things.
Don't you have a theory that Oswald changed his shirt and pants at the rooming house? Maybe Brennan noticed the clothing change, or maybe Oswald had the same shirt on as he had on earlier and it just appeared different under artificial light.
Not a theory , Mr. O..... Captain Fritz wrote that Lee Oswald went to his room and changed his clothes before going to the theater.
Lee's dirty clothes were found in his room...but those dirty clothes were NOT light colored khaki......The were no light colored khaki clothes found in Lee's room.
Maybe Brennan noticed the clothing change, or maybe Oswald had the same shirt on as he had on earlier and it just appeared different under artificial light.
No, Lee didn't have the same shirt on..... The detective ( Potts) who listed the items of clothing found in Lee's room. ... Potts described the shirt as a long sleeved sport shirt, reddish brown in color with a BUTTON DOWN COLLAR... Was the shirt that Lee was wearing at the theater REDDISH BROWN? Did it have a BUTTON DOWN COLOR? ( see Potts exhibit) And the trousers were dark grey.....
Brennan said that the 175 pound man's trousers were a LIGHTER color than the man's "dingy white shirt" Lee's trousers were a DARK grey......
Walter
Even eyewitnesses and police officers make mistakes from time-to-time.
-- MWT ;)
PS 175 pounds?
I thought it was "165 to 175 pounds".
police officers make mistakes from time-to-time.
Yes, indeed they do...and they made some very big mistakes in the framing of their patsy, ......The major mistake was:....They never knew that Lee was an undercover agent for Bobby K.
I thought it was "165 to 175 pounds".
Yes, that is what Brennan wrote in his affidavit.... And I'm sure that you'll agree that Brennan's statement means that the man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing and who he saw STANDING and aiming a hunting rifle out of a upper floor window could have weighed as much as 175 pounds.
And I don't doubt that you'll be able to see that Lee Oswald's weight ( 131 lbs) couldn't possibly have been as much as 175 pounds...... And I'm sure you'll also agree that Lee's DARK colored clothing couldn't possibly have been seen as "light colored khaki", which is what Brennan said the 175 pound man was wearing.
"Walt",
It's telling that you seemed to think you needed to use the 175 figure instead of the more accurate "165 to 175" to make your point.
-- MWT ;)
"Walt",
It's telling that you seemed to think you needed to use the 175 figure instead of the more accurate "165 to 175" to make your point.
-- MWT ;)
You're FOS Tommy..... Anyway you slice it, the skinny Lee Oswald at 131 pounds couldn't have been seen as weighing between "165 and 175 pounds"
The DPD had Brennan's affidavit and they certainly knew that Brennan's description of the gunman DID NOT fit Lee Oswald.
The fact that you are trying to use the lower weight is ridiculous..... The difference between Lee's weight of 131 pounds and 168 pounds is nearly 40 pounds ( 37 pounds) ..... That is a huge difference on the frame of a 5' 9" man..... Your desperation is obvious, Tommy.....
From Oswald's autopsy report: "External examination reveals a 5 foot, 9 inch white male, the estimated weight is 150 pounds..."
Link: https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340153/m1/1/
Oh Kool.... The "ESTIMATED " weight was 150..... When the weighed Lee at the time he was booked.... He weighed 131 pounds.....
Wasn't Brennan's weight claim also an "ESTIMATE"?
Wasn't Brennan's weight claim also an "ESTIMATE"?According to the FBI report, Oswald gave the following when asked:
I've seen a document that lists Lee's weight as 131 pounds......
Of course you have. Now, can we get a peek?
Walter
Even eyewitnesses and police officers make mistakes from time-to-time.
-- MWT ;)
PS 175 pounds?
I thought it was "165 to 175 pounds".
"Even eyewitnesses and police officers make mistakes from time-to-time."You forgot to add: and because of the mistakes, which some could call intentional wrongdoing, is exactly why Oswald is innocent. You can describe errors in any way you like but you get the same result Oswald is innocent. Tom is wrong again. I am glad you slowly are realizing how stupid you sound.
You forgot to add: and because of the mistakes, which some could call intentional wrongdoing, is exactly why Oswald is innocent. You can describe errors in any way you like but you get the same result Oswald is innocent. Tom is wrong again. I am glad you slowly are realizing how stupid you sound.
Kleinschmidt,
How is Howard Brennan's being a lousy judge of someone's weight, age, and clothing color when viewing that person for a few seconds from a distance, through a partially open dirty window, and at an acute, elevated angle make Oswald innocent?
-- MWT ;)
PS. Did the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories that rose, with KGB encouragement, out of the JFK assassination lead you to "I'm Gonna Drain the Obama, Soros, and (57-Murders-and-Counting) Clinton Swamp" Trump, or was it the other way around?
-- MWT ;)
Sure can..... Just look in the 26 volumes....
Sure can..... Just look in the 26 volumes....
Walt, Chapman doesn't know anything about the case or the evidence. He's just here to troll and to post stupid movie clips.
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Thank You, John.... So Lee was 69 1/2 " tall and he weighed 131 pounds. But perhaps you shouldn't have posted this document because now Chappie and his fellow LNer's will use the fact that Lee Harrrrrvey Ossssswald ( Boooo Hisss) refused to sign the document.... They'll say that even after he was dead he was still being uncooperative.
So you know the weight on the form was obtained from a weight-scale? That they weren't just taking his word for it?
That they weren't just taking his word for it? ROTFLMAO.... Ya know the old axiom.... "Dead men don't lie".....
Kleinschmidt,
How is Howard Brennan's being a lousy judge of someone's weight, age, and clothing color when viewing that person for a few seconds from a distance, through a partially open dirty window, and at an acute, elevated angle make Oswald innocent?
-- MWT ;)
PS. Did the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories that rose, with KGB encouragement, out of the JFK assassination lead you to "I'm Gonna Drain the Obama, Soros, and (57-Murders-and-Counting) Clinton Swamp" Trump, or was it the other way around?
-- MWT ;)
Brennan is important but not the way you want him to be. If I question someone's judgment it would be yours.
I also realize you know that you're an actor playing make-believe not a daydreamer like your brother Scully
131 pounds would be oddly specific for a self-reported weight. Besides, the Clements FBI report referred to by Steve Galbraith claimed that Oswald said he weighed 140.
Yet another useless observation from the forum clown.
Thank You, John.... They'll say that even after he was dead he was still being uncooperative.
Kleinschmidt,
Which came first for you -- adoration of Putin's "useful idiot," Trump, or belief that the evil, evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex (aka The Deep State?) murdered President Kennedy?
Have you always believed that the KGB (today's SVR and FSB) and the GRU are humanitarian organizations?
Do you, like President Trump, trust KGB-boy Vladimir Putin more than our own intelligence agencies?
Is Alex "Cry On Demand" Jones one of your heroes?
Roger "Rat Xxxxxx" Stone?
Oliver "I Like Putin and My Son Works for RT" Stone?
-- MWT ;)
You saying Oswald was weighed on a scale? Or you think he was?
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So you know the weight on the form was obtained from a weight-scale? That they weren't just taking his word for it?
So Lee weighed 131 pounds......or a whopping 44 pounds less than the 175 pound man who Brennan saw standing behind a TSBD window while aiming a hunting rifle out of the window.
Not only was the man much heavier than the skinny Lee Oswald..... The man was dressed in light colored khaki clothing...... and Lee didn't even own any light colored khaki clothing.
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Even if Oswald weighed 131 lbs, what difference would it make if all Brennan saw at any one time was portions of a clothed man at a sharp oblique angle? 1/4 inch less width of the shoulders? One inch less width of the torso beneath a shirt? Does that head look malnourished?
Khaki would include a light rust color if the two shirts he is alleged to have worn were in sunlight.(https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/d/da/Photo_sp1_wc_fullcommission.jpg)
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Even if Oswald weighed 131 lbs, what difference would it make if all Brennan saw at any one time was portions of a clothed man at a sharp oblique angle? 1/4 inch less width of the shoulders? One inch less width of the torso beneath a shirt? Does that head look malnourished?
Khaki would include a light rust color if the two shirts he is alleged to have worn were in sunlight.(https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/d/da/Photo_sp1_wc_fullcommission.jpg)
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Blue Ribbon Commission - 56 Years On and Findings Still Valid
[i]Khaki would include a light rust color if the two shirts he is alleged to have worn were in sunlight.[/i]
Wrong!!..... Khaki is a YELLOW color.... Rust....Is a shade of RED.
Modern "khaki" has many shades but is basically a muddled color that is not specifically a primary color.
"a dull brownish-yellow color."
It was originally a term for uniforms ( "light brown fabric used primarily for military uniforms"), now referred to as "olive drab". Even if Brennan had that in mind when he referenced "khaki", there is the possibility that he could be describing a light rust color. Rust can be light reddish-brown (rust: "a reddish- or yellowish-brown flaky coating of iron oxide"). Brown itself often has red in it.
1) He didn't get the memo.
2) Only one shot was fired.
The one shot he heard above the 5th floor could have been a shot by another Ex Marine , Malcolm Wallace who could have hit John Connally since Connally's wounds had more of a downward trajectory .