Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy

[Lloyd Morris]

Tim,

Good advice. Doing ten at a time will make it much easier to both post and discuss/debate. 

One of the many interesting things about the witnesses to the JFK assassination is the evolving nature of many of their statements. Some witnesses originally made statements and even gave testimony which was opposite to the WC conclusions.  Then over time they began to think they were mistaken and came to accept they must have been wrong. This is not an indication of something necessarily sinister or conspiratorial. The Newman's and Sam Holland are good examples.

While there is indisputable evidence from dozens of witnesses to the assassination that they were threatened or intimidated in an effort to get them to change their statements,  still others appear to have changed their minds about what they saw and heard as a result of the psychological phenomena of cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort or psychological stress that comes from simultaneously holding two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is a consequence of performing an action which contradicts widely held beliefs, ideals or values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts previously beliefs, ideals, and values.

[Royell Storing]

Who's "we"?

The Earwitnesses who thought the shots came from the Knoll thought ALL the shots came from the Knoll, but that's simply not possible and considering that Kennedy and Connally were both struck from behind, the only logical outcome is that all the shots were fired from behind by Oswald on the 6th floor.



JohnM

 Relying on JFK Male EAR Witnesses that were roughly 40+ years old is a Big Mistake. Most of those, (Brehm, Willis, etc) served in WW 2. Having been subjected to the Extremely Loud Noises that come with battle renders their hearing ability subject to question. As to what these individuals may have claimed to have Viewed, (shooter(s)/Smoke/Gun/Gun Barrel/etc on 11/22/63 = A-OK.

[John Iacoletti]

Oswald on the 6th floor fired 3 shots and that's that!

Maybe if you fall on the floor and kick your feet you'll be more convincing.

[John Iacoletti]

A. About 95% of the earwitnesses said all the bullets came from one direction, meaning no crossfire.

Witnesses are unreliable, except when they're not.

B. There were bullet fragments in the Limo that were exclusively matched to Oswalds rifle.

"fragments in the limo" - LOL
"exclusively matched" - LOL
"Oswald's rifle" - LOL

[John Iacoletti]

Wrong. Oswald's palm print was lifted off of the rifle on Nov 22, 1963 by Carl Day.

Of course it was.  He just forgot to take photos of the partial print before lifting it, forgot to cover it with cellophane, and forgot tell the FBI about it when the evidence was turned over.  And the traces of the print that he claimed were still visible on the rifle somehow disappeared by the time it got to Latona.

[John Iacoletti]

You apparently are unaware of the two large bullet fragments recovered from the limo that were matched to Oswald's Carcano.

"Oswald's Carcano".  LOL.

And matched by a guy who lined up markings from the mutilated fragments in his mind, because they didn't line up under the microscope.  Fragments that had no documented chain of custody from Mills/Paterni to Frazier supposedly via Barlett and possibly Boring.  Who knows?  Who cares?  Can't even determine that these fragments ever went through a human body, but you just need to have faith.

[Tim Nickerson]

One of the many interesting things about the witnesses to the JFK assassination is the evolving nature of many of their statements. Some witnesses originally made statements and even gave testimony which was opposite to the WC conclusions.  Then over time they began to think they were mistaken and came to accept they must have been wrong. This is not an indication of something necessarily sinister or conspiratorial. The Newman's and Sam Holland are good examples.

Lloyd, Someone else who quickly comes to mind is Mary Woodward. Her original statement places her in the Knoll column, but decades later she tried to explain that away.

While there is indisputable evidence from dozens of witnesses to the assassination that they were threatened or intimidated in an effort to get them to change their statements,  still others appear to have changed their minds about what they saw and heard as a result of the psychological phenomena of cognitive dissonance.

Indisputable evidence? I think you're overselling that one. I'm aware of a few witnesses who have claimed to have been intimidated by law enforcement officers or Warren Commission staff members. I don't know of any evidence that would support any of their claims. But I'm certainly open to anything that you could provide.

One witness who, decades later, claimed to have been intimidated was Victoria Adams. According to Barry Ernest, she stated that she felt intimidated during her deposition and when she later reviewed and signed a copy of the transcript of the deposition. She also said that she was spooked by James Leavelle when he showed up at her door to interview her in Feb 1964. She claimed that he lied to her when explaining why he had to interview her when she had already been interviewed earlier. He allegedly told her that their records had been destroyed by a fire.

Cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort or psychological stress that comes from simultaneously holding two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is a consequence of performing an action which contradicts widely held beliefs, ideals or values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts previously beliefs, ideals, and values.

I don't believe I've ever seen it explained so clearly. Thank you.