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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #84 on: December 21, 2019, 07:53:19 PM »
And let us guess sir, you want the rest of us to believe someone you yourself stated was sitting down required a loooong vertical shadow running downward along Lovelady from his head down to his toes?

They couldn't black out only a segment of Mr Lovelady's side-------------------at least not if they wanted this to look like a natural shadow!  Thumb1:

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To conceal someone seated?

We only know that Mr DuVall claimed to have been seated, but not the exact timestamp he put on this. Did he stand up (like Mr Lovelady) as JFK was turning onto Elm Street? Did he stand up in response to the sound of gunfire? We need more information from his Sixth Floor Museum interview!

Here's what Hughes shows of the doorway just as the limo is turning onto Elm:



Here's what Towner shows a few seconds later as the limo is actually passing the building:



Could this be showing Mr Duvall (left of image, ignore arrow) waving a newspaper in enthusiasm as JFK passes?

If that's not Mr Duvall next to Mr Carl Edward Jones, then who do you think it might be?

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #85 on: December 21, 2019, 07:55:24 PM »
No, Mr Ford, you're just confused! My consistent position is that Mr Shelley is not the man you think is Mr Shelley in Altgens, and that Mr Shelley is PrayerManInWiegman------------and nowhere to be seen in Darnell. As for the man you think is Mr Shelley in Altgens, he's still there in Wiegman-----------removing the basis of your suggestion as to why a fake shadow was put down Mr Lovelady!  Thumb1:

So, once again sir, IF he isn"t Shelley, enlighten us with a specific name. Fair enough? What say ye?

This gentleman is presumably either Mr Joe Molina or Mr Otis Williams:



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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2019, 08:03:50 PM »
Final question before signing off for now ---->

How did Bill Shelley suddenly slip out of the shabby un-tucked shirt worn by Prayer Man into his actual business attire he wore that afternoon?

Are you telling us Altgen's camera lense captured Bill Shelley in one set of clothing, while Wiegman's lense-filming at the same time--captures him dressed differently?


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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #87 on: December 21, 2019, 08:07:56 PM »
Final question before signing off for now ---->

How did Bill Shelley suddenly slip out of the shabby un-tucked shirt worn by Prayer Man into his actual business attire he wore that afternoon?

Again you're making the same mistake of describing PrayerManInWiegman with reference to PrayerManInDarnell. Show us PrayerManInWiegman's "shabby untucked shirt"!

As for how Mr Shelley could possibly have changed into his business suit between the shooting and being taken down to DPD headquarters, well that's easy-------------he had his own office!  Thumb1:

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Are you telling us Altgen's camera lense captured Bill Shelley in one set of clothing, while Wiegman's lense-filming at the same time--captures him dressed differently?

No, Mr Ford, no-------------------I am telling you that Mr Altgens' camera lens did not capture Mr Shelley at allThumb1:


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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #88 on: December 22, 2019, 01:42:07 AM »
This gentleman is presumably either Mr Joe Molina or Mr Otis Williams:



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No, you will have to make another assumption sir.

The respective statements of both men you offered up run contrary to being beside Mr. Lovelady ---->

“I … took up a position on the top step at the entrance of the Texas School Book Depository … Otis Williams … and Mrs. Pauline Sanders … were also viewing the motorcade with me."
-- Mr. Joe Molina

“I was standing on the top step against the railing on the east side of the steps in front of the building"
-- Mr. Otis Williams

So, again sir, account for the man standing with Lovelady in the Altgen's photo since you refuse to admit it's Bill Shelley. Is the fact that man is wearing business attire preventing you from acknowledging him as Bill Shelley?

Acknowledging him as Bill Shelley would derail your notion that somehow the Prayer Man figure is Bill Shelley, Isn't that so sir?





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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #89 on: December 22, 2019, 05:39:39 AM »
No, you will have to make another assumption sir.

The respective statements of both men you offered up run contrary to being beside Mr. Lovelady ---->

“I … took up a position on the top step at the entrance of the Texas School Book Depository … Otis Williams … and Mrs. Pauline Sanders … were also viewing the motorcade with me."
-- Mr. Joe Molina

“I was standing on the top step against the railing on the east side of the steps in front of the building"
-- Mr. Otis Williams

So, again sir, account for the man standing with Lovelady in the Altgen's photo since you refuse to admit it's Bill Shelley. Is the fact that man is wearing business attire preventing you from acknowledging him as Bill Shelley?

Acknowledging him as Bill Shelley would derail your notion that somehow the Prayer Man figure is Bill Shelley, Isn't that so sir?

Mr. BALL. Where were you standing?
Mr. MOLINA. Right at the front door; right at the front door.
Mr. BALL. Outside the front door?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, outside the front door I was standing; the door was right behind me.
Mr. BALL. Were you standing on the steps?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, on the uppermost step.


"Uppermost step" sounds a lot like landing, no?  Thumb1:

And don't you think this man's paunch is a little... large to belong to Mr Shelley?



And! I somehow doubt these feminine hands belong to Mr Molina...



There's also this from Mr Shelley's March 64 FBI interview report:

"Billy N. Lovelady who works under my supervision for the Texas School Book Depository was seated on the entrance steps just in front of me."

As well as Mr B W Frazier's testimony that Mr Shelley was------------like Mr Lovelady initially--------------over towards the west wall of the entrance.

Remember: When Mr Gary Mack originally showed Prayer Man to Mr Frazier back in 2013, Mr Frazier apparently thought it might be Mr Shelley. What stopped him from making that identification however was timing: he knew that Mr Shelley had left the steps right after the shooting. If we drop the assumption that PrayerManInWiegman=PrayerManInDarnell, that problem disappears and a solution offers itself:

PrayerManInWiegman = Mr Bill Shelley
PrayerManInDarnell = Mr Kenneth DuVall.


Clinging to PrayerMan=LHO will only delay one's inevitable recognition of where Mr Oswald actually was at the time of the assassination!



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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #90 on: December 22, 2019, 02:19:20 PM »
There's also this from Mr Shelley's March 64 FBI interview report:

"Billy N. Lovelady who works under my supervision for the Texas School Book Depository was seated on the entrance steps just in front of me."


So, let us guess sir, when Lovelady stood up from his seated position to be caught in the standing position in Altgens he is suddenly no longer, quote, "... on the entrance steps just in front of me."?  @ Bill Shelley

An amusing version of musical chairs?





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