Tippit Shooting, 1:15

[John Mytton]

If the ambulance arrived say, at 1:18, and then Dr.Liqouri pronounced Oswald DOA after a quick examination at 1:18, but wrote his "physicians estimate" of the time of death occurring at 1:15, then should not the detectives statement be something like:

AT 1:18, we arrived at the emergency room and Dr Liquori pronounced Oswald DOA and estimated that the death occurred approximately 12:15.

The amount of "to the exact minute precision" that you expect just wasn't a part of the times, look at all of the written down times and they are "nearly always" in multiples of five.

1:30 3:10 1:15


1:15 3:00


Here is some eyewitnesses at the assassination scene and the times are all over the place. But what is interesting is the two eyewitnesses who saw the exact same Hertz clock and give times 4 minutes apart, humans make mistakes, and on top of that what's also fascinating is that these two eyewitnesses both break the "5 minute rule" ironically because they remembered to look at a digital clock, the same format that we all take for granted today but just wasn't usually accessible at the time hence all the rounded off times.   

Mr. LIEBELER - Up on the triple underpass?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes; I keep forgetting that we are taking the testimony down here. After the Presidential caravan had proceeded down Elm Street, this was approximately 12:25

Glen A. Bennett about 12:25 P.M

Mrs. JOSEPH EDDIE DEAN  At approximately 12:40 p.m

MARY ANN MOORMAN at approximately 12:25 p.mp

Mr. MILLER - About 12:15 or 12:20.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember what time the motorcade came by?
Mr. MILLER - No; I don't, not for sure.
Mr. BELIN - About how long after you got there did you see the motorcade?
Mr. MILLER - About 10 or 15 minutes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you hear three shots?
Mr. TAGUE. I heard three shots; yes sir. And I did notice the time on the Hertz clock. It was 12:29.

Mr. WILLIS. I even observed the clock on top of the building, it was 12:33 when I looked up there.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Pronounced DOA by Dr Liguori at 1:15 PM, "Mytton".  You lose.

What time? Oops!



JohnM

[Tom Scully]

What time? Oops!

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JohnM

Grow up and admit there was a problem, lay it squarely on where it belongs, Dallas officials. The death certificate is an
official document, a record of the homicide death of an on duty, city police officer. It documents FOREVER, the time of injury
as 1:18 pm and the time of death at 1:15 pm. Bowley claims he arrived at 1:10 pm, Mrs. Higgins of 417 E. Tenth told Barry Ernst a short time later that she heard the shots, rushed outside and this coincided with a TV announcer saying the time was 1:06 pm. This is a useless exercise, you know it, give us all a break and stop posting because officials corrupted the official record! Why do almost no forum posters exhibit discernment about what is and is not likely to be resolved by posting, but instead clog this forum literally chock full of unreadable nonsense, unless they are not as nonsensically repeating the same lack of judgment and the intention is to make this forum brimming with unreadable nonsense?

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/markham1.htm

Mrs. MARKHAM. I believe it was a little after 1.
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Mr. BALL. So you were walking south toward Jefferson?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You think it was a little after 1?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I wouldn't be afraid to bet it wasn't 6 or 7 minutes after 1.
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https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340598/

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On the same page as David's 2018 assertion, Karl Kinaski posted.:

What we know for sure is the time Tippit was shot. It was 1:06 pm. Quote from a CTKA review of Barry Earnest book THE GIRL ON THE STAIRS: 

"Barry then visited the scene of policeman J. D. Tippit's shooting. Here, he meets a witness that no agent of government had talked to, a Mrs. Higgins who lived nearby. She offered him some very important information. She had heard the shots and ran out her front door to see Tippit lying in the street. Barry asked her what time it was. She said it was 1:06. He asked her how she recalled that specific time. She said because she was watching TV and the announcer said it. So she automatically checked her clock when he said it and he was right." (Pronto after that announcement she heard the shots which killed Tippit)

Donald Reed Higgin's death certificate of October 25, 1969, indicates the couple still resided at 417 East Tenth, (1963 Dallas city directory displays "417 East Tenth, Apt. C").



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[Bill Chapman]

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Quote from: Bill Chapman on Today at 12:43:32 AM
'DOA means having died before getting to a hospital, emergency room, etc.'

Scully said:
Where did you pull that out of? At least wash it off....it's still brown, moist, and steaming.
>>> Take it up with Merriam-Webster, professor
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dead%20on%20arrival

[Tom Scully]

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No, Bowley's watch was never calibrated and even at 1:10 with a murder just moments before gives Oswald plenty of time, Higgins was way after the fact and as shown Dr Liquori was quoted by a "policeman".

In other words I have supplied a mountain of evidence and you're reduced to screwing over the eyewitnesses. Nice try!

JohnM

Impossible to dispute facts. On page 83, author Barry Ernst dates this interview segment in Dallas as March, 1968. He says in his book he encountered both Mr. and Mrs. Higgins. I documented that Mr. Higgins died the following year on Oct. 25, 1969.

A reasonable person would find it reasonable that, after hearing the shots from her location at 417 E. Tenth and then seeing the body of a DPD officer lying shot down in the street literally yards away, the details would remain in Mrs. Higgins's mind 52 months later.:

From author Ernst's book, "The Girl on the Stairs" page 85, paperback edition:
Click on "paperback edition," click on "look inside" on upper left of Amazon.com web page at this link, search term, Higgins
https://www.amazon.com/Girl-Stairs-Missing-Witness-Assassination/dp/1455624314/ref=sr_1_1

[John Mytton]

Impossible to dispute facts. On page 83, author Barry Ernst dates this interview segment in Dallas as March, 1968. He says in his book he encountered both Mr. and Mrs. Higgins. I documented that Mr. Higgins died the following year on Oct. 25, 1969.

A reasonable person would find it reasonable that, after hearing the shots from her location at 417 E. Tenth and then seeing the body of a DPD officer lying shot down in the street literally yards away, the details would remain in Mrs. Higgins's mind 52 months later.:

From author Ernst's book, "The Girl on the Stairs" page 85, paperback edition:
Click on "paperback edition," click on "look inside" on upper left of Amazon.com web page at this link, search term, Higgins
https://www.amazon.com/Girl-Stairs-Missing-Witness-Assassination/dp/1455624314/ref=sr_1_1

Indeed, it's impossible to dispute facts. I looked at all the major channels and didn't see any timestamp for 1:06 but I did see that WFAA-TV's Jay Watson give a timestamp for 1:03. Now I know there may have been some obscure channel I couldn't find but Jay's announcement is pretty compelling.

Mrs. Higgins explained. “He said it just like that, ‘six minutes after one.’ And you know how you always do, you hear the time and you automatically check your own watch. So I just looked up at the clock on my television to verify the time and it said 1:06.
Ernest, Barry (2010). The Girl On The Stairs:



Btw And isn't it incredibly suspicious that the quoted time just happened to be 1:06 and since Barry lied to the Higgins, how reliable does that make him? Good luck with the moral dilemma that his honesty has on your belief system.

Mrs. Higgins got noticeably upset and asked if I was writing a book. I assured her I was in Dallas only to satisfy my own curiosity.
Ernest, Barry (2010). The Girl On The Stairs:

JohnM

[Bill Chapman]

Grow up and admit there was a problem, lay it squarely on where it belongs, Dallas officials. The death certificate is an
official document, a record of the homicide death of an on duty, city police officer. It documents FOREVER, the time of injury
as 1:18 pm and the time of death at 1:15 pm. Bowley claims he arrived at 1:10 pm, Mrs. Higgins of 417 E. Tenth told Barry Ernst a short time later that she heard the shots, rushed outside and this coincided with a TV announcer saying the time was 1:06 pm. This is a useless exercise, you know it, give us all a break and stop posting because officials corrupted the official record! Why do almost no forum posters exhibit discernment about what is and is not likely to be resolved by posting, but instead clog this forum literally chock full of unreadable nonsense, unless they are not as nonsensically repeating the same lack of judgment and the intention is to make this forum brimming with unreadable nonsense?

'brimming with unreadable nonsense'
>>>Tell us how my post 'Take it up with Merriam-Webster, professor' qualifies as 'unreadable nonsense'