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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick
« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2019, 02:47:59 PM »
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Hearing the bolt action and the shells is the added new detail. Post Norman's statement from 11/22, 11/23, 11/24, or 11/25. How about explain Norman's statement on 11/26. He waits 12 days to add the story of hearing the bolt action and the shells, changes his story to accommodate the story and that is the part of his statement that you quote as factual.

Jack, my recollection is that Norman did not provide a statement until the Tuesday (11/26). If you have any earlier statements could you share?

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Re: How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick
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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2019, 03:07:24 PM »
More brutal pedantic nitpicking.  Norman confirms right from the start that the shots came from above his head.  The only open window above his head is the SN.  If you want to believe there is some cause to doubt his hearing the bolt being operated and shell cases hitting the floor, it doesn't make any difference if he still confirms that a rifle was fired above his head.  If there were any doubt of this, witnesses saw a rifle in that window at the moment of the assassination and fired bullet casings were found by that window.  It's inexplicable how there could be much more supporting evidence of the fact that shots were fired from that window.

Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick
« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2019, 03:13:48 PM »
More brutal pedantic nitpicking.  Norman confirms right from the start that the shots came from above his head.  The only open window above his head is the SN.  If you want to believe there is some cause to doubt his hearing the bolt being operated and shell cases hitting the floor, it doesn't make any difference if he still confirms that a rifle was fired above his head.  If there were any doubt of this, witnesses saw a rifle in that window at the moment of the assassination and fired bullet casings were found by that window.  It's inexplicable how there could be much more supporting evidence of the fact that shots were fired from that window.

If you believe that, then  prove it was Oswald who fired them, Richard.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick
« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2019, 03:37:49 PM »
If you believe that, then  prove it was Oswald who fired them, Richard.

If I believe what?  That a gun was fired from that window?  Are saying there is any doubt of that fact as confirmed by several witnesses and the evidence?  What do you think went on?  Someone stuck a pipe out the window and shouted "bang" and then disbursed evidence framing Oswald before escaping the building unnoticed?  Once you accept the obvious conclusion that shots were fired from that window, then the physical evidence left behind ties Oswald to the crime.  His rifle is found on that floor.  Fired bullet casings from his rifle are found by the window.  His prints are on the SN boxes and bag.   He lies about owning a rifle and carrying a large package to work that morning.  He flees the scene within minutes, gets a pistol, and shoots a police officer.  Again, difficult to understand how there could be much more evidence of his guilt than exists.  What do you believe is lacking here?  A time machine that would allow you see it for yourself? 

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Re: How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick
« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2019, 08:01:56 PM »
If I believe what?  That a gun was fired from that window?  Are saying there is any doubt of that fact as confirmed by several witnesses and the evidence?  What do you think went on?  Someone stuck a pipe out the window and shouted "bang" and then disbursed evidence framing Oswald before escaping the building unnoticed?  Once you accept the obvious conclusion that shots were fired from that window, then the physical evidence left behind ties Oswald to the crime.  His rifle is found on that floor.  Fired bullet casings from his rifle are found by the window.  His prints are on the SN boxes and bag.   He lies about owning a rifle and carrying a large package to work that morning.  He flees the scene within minutes, gets a pistol, and shoots a police officer.  Again, difficult to understand how there could be much more evidence of his guilt than exists.  What do you believe is lacking here?  A time machine that would allow you see it for yourself?
Yes a time machine would be idea,  much better than your load of assumptions.

As Curry said. ""We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did.
Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand.""
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick
« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2019, 10:31:57 PM »
Yes a time machine would be idea,  much better than your load of assumptions.

As Curry said. ""We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did.
Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand.""

Was that the blurb on the dust jacket of his book by any chance?

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Re: How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick
« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2019, 01:37:02 AM »
If you believe that, then  prove it was Oswald who fired them, Richard.

What Euins saw of the shooter's head kinda narrows it down to somebody with a receding hairline, apparently enough to show as a white/bald spot large enough to cause Euins to repeat that observation several times in testimony.

My point is that 'AnybodyButOswald' needs to have a similar 'do as to what was observed of the head by Euins.

« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 06:52:26 AM by Bill Chapman »

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Re: How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick
« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2019, 06:31:10 AM »
Mr. Chapman,

Any thoughts on why, from the time they found "Lee's Gun" to immediately before Lee Oswald was murdered by Jack Ruby, Lee's prints never appeared on that gun, and then, and only then, after Lee was dead, they suddenly appeared? Do you find that suspicious? I mean this was the murder of the President for crying out loud, all the best and the brightest were on the case and working overtime, why didn't Lee's fingerprints appear on that sixth floor Carcano until after he was dead and laying on a slab?

My recollection is that Studebaker (he of the grand total of two months experience) used a relatively new technique that failed to raise fingerprints... after which the FBI lab used some sort of chemical analysis and succeeded in finding partials.