Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?

[Gary Craig]

[Thomas Graves]

Gary,

Point being?

-- MWT 

[Gary Craig]

Gary,

Point being?

-- MWT 

In addition to file cabinets full of information on Cuban sympathizers found amongst his possessions in the Paines's garage,

Ozzie had an expensive Minox camera.

Hemming: The Minox Camera
The Minox found in Oswald's room was originally given to Bayo from Hemming. The serial numbers match.

[Tom Scully]

Yet another good thread completely ruined by Tom Scully irrelevant waffle!!

Denis, I would prefer to think positively of you, I really would! Unfortunately, you offer nothing but chronic complaint.
If I did not know better, I would be wondering if you were intent on discouraging readers from considering what I actually contribute to this forum,
because this is certainly not the first time you have indicated you do not believe I enhance the reader experience or inform readers.
You even posted an opinion, at least the way I understood it, you had a favorable impression of Caprio posting 67 percent of all new threads since
Jan., 2018, or some similar opinion, despite the absence of discernible originality in any Caprio OP.

You are certainly a gate keeper here. Instruct me to stop posting and I will oblige.

I do not see you objecting, for example, to Gary Craig attempting to transform portable folder storage, a dead end even before the WCR was published,
into meaningful, office sized filing cabinets. Vague sensationalism highlighting 56 year old, dead ends is always entertaining, but is it distraction,
or actually more misleading than it is informing?

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/minox.htm
…….
…Mr. WALTHERS. You could tell it from the way it was tied and the impression of where that barrel went up in it where it was tied, that a rifle had been tied in it, but what kind---you couldn't tell, but you could tell a rifle had been wrapped up in it, and then we found some little metal file cabinets---I don't know what kind you would call them---they would carry an 8 by 10 folder, all right, but with a single handle on top of it and the handle moves.
Mr. LIEBELER. About how many of them would you think there were?
Mr. WALTHERS. There were six or seven, I believe, and I put them all in the trunk of my car ….
…Mr. WALTHERS. They were all put in the cars and we took them to Capt. Will Fritz' office along with the stuff we had confiscated, the files and the blanket and the other stuff, and I turned them over to Captain Fritz and left them and went back to my station.
Mr. LIEBELER. What was in these file cabinets?
Mr. WALTHERS. We didn't go through them at the scene. I do remember a letterhead--I can't describe it--I know we opened one of them and we seen what it was, that it was a lot of personal letters and stuff and a letterhead that this Paine fellow had told us about, and he said, "That's from the people he writes to in Russia"; he was talking about this letterhead we had pulled out and so I just pushed it all back down and shut it and took the whole works.
Mr. LIEBELER. I have been advised that some story has developed that at some point that when you went out there you found seven file cabinets full of cards that had the names on them of pro-Castro sympathizers or something of that kind, but you don't remember seeing any of them?
Mr. WALTHERS. Well, that could have been one, but I didn't see it.
Mr. LIEBELER. There certainly weren't any seven file cabinets with the stuff you got out there or anything like that?
Mr. WALTHERS. I picked up all of these file cabinets and what all of them contained, I don't know myself to this day.….

You post little or nothing original or actually informative. For example, I posted the following image. Do you not grasp the significance
of the location of Henry Hurt's residence, compared to the claims Billy Joe Lord made in his letter to newly serving President Carter in 1977?

The Matriarch: Barbara Bush and the Making of an American Dynasty
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1538713659
Susan Page - 2019 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
It was FitzGerald Bemiss, a pal of Prescott Bush from Kennebunkport. He had battled bad weather to get there from Cornell University. He was supposed to be in ...

The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty - Page 61 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0385498640
Peter Schweizer, ‎Rochelle Schweizer - 2005 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
You didn't go to Kennebunkport to spend time alone or curl up for hours with a book. Gerry Bemiss, whose family owned a home nearby, remembers those …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennebunkport%2C_Maine
Kennebunkport is a town in York County, Maine, United States. The population was 3,474 people at the 2010 census.
….
Summer home of the Bush family
Main article: Bush compound
Kennebunkport was also the summer home of former U.S. President George H. W. Bush, father of former U.S. President George W. Bush.
…….
Population History:

1960 - 1,851

1970-  2,160

Billy Joe Lord:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9963&relPageId=175&search=shortly_after%20returning%20to%20midland

In addition to file cabinets full of information on Cuban sympathizers found amongst his possessions in the Paines's garage,

Ozzie had an expensive Minox camera....

[Tom Scully]

..........

The Matriarch: Barbara Bush and the Making of an American Dynasty
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1538713659

Susan Page - 2019 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
With her cooperation, this book offers Barbara Bush's last words for history -- on the evolution of her party, on the role of women, on Donald Trump, and on her family's legacy.

The Matriarch: Barbara Bush and the Making of an American Dynasty
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1538713659
Susan Page - 2019 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
It was FitzGerald Bemiss, a pal of Prescott Bush from Kennebunkport. He had battled bad weather to get there from Cornell University. He was supposed to be in ...

The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty - Page 61 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0385498640
Peter Schweizer, ‎Rochelle Schweizer - 2005 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
You didn't go to Kennebunkport to spend time alone or curl up for hours with a book. Gerry Bemiss, whose family owned a home nearby, remembers those …

............

Short and sweet:

In 1968, Reader's Digest sponsored Henry Hurt, according to his wedding announcement, moved back to Virginia from his Kennebunkport
school teacher job location. He married the daughter of Langbourne Williams's brother.

Langbourne Williams, president of Freeport Sulphur, was closely related to Gerry Bemiss (Billy Joe Lord reliably described Bemiss being
a high ranking Virginia republican party and hotel operator, and Lord had never met Bemiss.)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/89080540/samuel-merrifield-bemiss
Bemiss's grandmother, Cyan Williams Bemiss was the sister of Langbourne Willams's father.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88891802/langbourne-meade-williams

"Barb", however, described one her husband's George HW's oldest and closest friends, dating back to their boyhoods, as an F.O.P., not
a F.O.G.

https://books.google.com/books?id=jRvdwoKQOgQC&pg=PA311&lpg=PA311&dq=george+bush+devine+bemis+meeting&source=bl&ots=u7Yvu_GF9z&sig=16xsVqU5CrpyRAZn1Q7pKu0XPcI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUqe7Rk6zLAhXrlIMKHYevB60Q6AEIKDAB#v=onepage&q=george%20bush%20devine%20bemis%20meeting&f=false
The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a …
Jeffrey A. Engel – 2011 – ‎History
The Making of a Global President Jeffrey A. Engel … Bemis, Lias and Devine had a meeting regarding my political future—very thoughtful of them.5 All I know …

https://www.nytimes.com/1956/10/19/archives/contract-linked-to-gop-loyalty-witness-at-nickel-inquiry-tells-of.html
CONTRACT LINKED TO G.O.P. LOYALTY; Witness at Nickel Inquiry Tells of Rise in Gifts-- Eisenhower Mentioned Hall Invited to Testify Files Were Confidential 'Political Facts of Life'
By C.P. TRUSSELL SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES.OCT. 19, 1956
WASHINGTON, Oct. 18--An investigating panel of the House of Representatives was told today that President Eisenhower had agreed early in his Administration to the schooling of department and agency heads in "the political facts of life" on the awarding of Government contracts.VIEW FULL ARTICLE IN TIMESMACHINE »

Snare and Merritt on Plant Job - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1954/08/01/archives/snare-and-merritt-on-plant-job.html
August 1, 1954
Natl Lead chooses F Snare Corp and Merritt-Chapman for expansion work on US-owned Nicaro, Cuba, plant....

Search terms: Snare and Nickel:

https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=snare%20and%20nickel&types=D&from=1

6 page hits in Documents
1. No Title, pg 6  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125420&relPageId=6&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
ORLANDO advised the subject narked under him during 1955 for approximately six months at Nicara, the location of Nicara Nickel Company near Preston, Oriente
ORLANDO advised he and the subject were working for the Frederick Snare Corporation at that location. Mr. and Mrs.
see all page hits in this document »

2. No Title, pg 2 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125424&relPageId=2&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
ORLANDO advised the subject worked under him during 1955 for approximately six months at Nicara, the location of Nicara Nickel Company near Preston, Oriente
ORLANDO advised he and the subject were working for the Frederick Snare Corp., at that location. Mr. and Mrs.

3. No Title, pg 6 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125447&relPageId=6&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
He said he had been employed by Snare-Merritt Contractors and Nicaro Nickel Company, both of Mayari, Oriente, Cuba, for approximately four years imaedi.ately

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=64485&relPageId=19&search=snare_and%20nickel
4. SPANISH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS ON CUBAN EXILES, pg 19
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 15
T quo en au visita a1 inorrne cuwbinudn de nickel del norte de Orien- te (Nicaro, Msyari) advirtui quo no funcionabsn los *strictures del. poles metaiko
Snare U.se esmpeametlda pars eapsrtar, 40 all tosalidas d terse el peal's* ale, Mieatrea Canto, quien romp. was libra as bolo ss gra, aasgaa we pals on

5. No Title, pg 6  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125447&relPageId=6&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
He said he had been employed by Snare-Merritt Contractors and Nicaro Nickel Company, both of Mayari, Oriente, Cuba, for approximately four years imaedi.ately

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=64485&relPageId=19&search=snare_and%20nickel
6. SPANISH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS ON CUBAN EXILES, pg 19
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 15
T quo en au visita a1 inorrne cuwbinudn de nickel del norte de Orien- te (Nicaro, Msyari) advirtui quo no funcionabsn los *strictures del. poles metaiko
Snare U.se esmpeametlda pars eapsrtar, 40 all tosalidas d terse el peal's* ale, Mieatrea Canto, quien romp. was libra as bolo ss gra, aasgaa we pals on

Frederick Snare, Sr.: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/137278800/frederick-snare

....and Allen and his brother John Foster Dulles just happened to be first cousins of Frederick Snare's son's wife, Ellen Dulles, since 1916.(1)(2)
2004 obit of son of Frederick Snare, Jr. and Ellen Dulles, Frederick III:
(1) https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bennington/obituary.aspx?n=frederick-snare&pid=2373852
(2) https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/12/archives/foster-r-dulles-historian-dies-educator-and-expert-on-far-east.html
1958, post CIA coup in Iran, the BP / CIA placed Shah sent his ambassador to Vermont to spend a weekend as a guest at the home
of J Foster Dulles first cousin and widow of Frederick Snares, Jr.:

Bennington Evening Banner Newspaper Archives, Feb 14, 1958
https://newspaperarchive.com/bennington-evening-banner-feb-14-1958-p-1/
... expressing his ardor for Ellen Axson, the preacher's daughter who bacame his first wife in 1885. .... Full Weekend Planned For Ambassadors MANCHESTER — Two ... minded voters that Bennington Dr. Djalal Abdoh, Iranian am- has ordered all ... Edith Dulles Snare is hostess to will happen if Bennington does not1 Pratt ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Abdo
Ali Abdoh (Alan Morgan) (Persian: علی عبده‎) was an Iranian boxer and founder of Persepolis Athletic and Cultural Club. He was Chairman of Persepolis F.C. from 1963 to 1975.
.....Early life
He was born in 1928 in Iran. He was son of Mohammad Abdoh Boroujerdi who was a chief justice and expert in Islamic law in the Reza Shah era. He was also brother of Jalal Abdoh who was Iran's Ambassador to India and Italy and to the United Nations. Jalal Abdoh was also one of the members of the team that argued Iran's case against the British at the Hague for nationalization of its oil during the Mossadegh era.

Allen's daughter Clover's wedding announcement informs us her maid of honor, Eleanor Thomas, was Clover's cousin and I have already proved that this cousin's brother was the last person to see Priscilla's dad Stuart Johnson alive, in 1969. In her 1978 HSCA testimony, Priscilla offered the excuse for the 14 year wait for her book, Lee and Me, was due to her upset over the concealed suicide of her father.:
Archived page from tomscully.com: http://archive.is/esTuB

[Jon Banks]

I have long suspected that the reason the CIA and FBI have been so cagey about the Kennedy Assassination Files is the possibility that Oswald was a spy or informant for one or more government agencies.

I also believe the rush to support the "Lone Nut" narrative was due to LBJ's desire to avoid having to go to war against the USSR. Johnson told The Atlantic magazine in the 1970s that he never believed Oswald acted alone and suspected Russian involvement.

Sometimes, the way to avoid answering difficult questions is to avoid asking the question. The assumption that Oswald acted alone and avoidance of investigating a potential Conspiracy, helped Johnson avoid making difficult decisions about War.

[Denis Pointing]

I have long suspected that the reason the CIA and FBI have been so cagey about the Kennedy Assassination Files is the possibility that Oswald was a spy or informant for one or more government agencies.

I also believe the rush to support the "Lone Nut" narrative was due to LBJ's desire to avoid having to go to war against the USSR. Johnson told The Atlantic magazine in the 1970s that he never believed Oswald acted alone and suspected Russian involvement.

Sometimes, the way to avoid answering difficult questions is to avoid asking the question. The assumption that Oswald acted alone and avoidance of investigating a potential Conspiracy, helped Johnson avoid making difficult decisions about War.

Hi Jon, I looked thru the Atlantic website and found the following; "During coffee, the talk turned to President Kennedy, and Johnson expressed his belief that the assassination in Dallas had been part of a conspiracy. "I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger." Johnson said that when he had taken office he found that "we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." A year or so before Kennedy's death a CIA-backed assassination team had been picked up in Havana. Johnson speculated that Dallas had been a retaliation for this thwarted attempt, although he couldn't prove it."
As you can see, no mention of the "Russians". If you know of another reference to Russia that I may have missed, could you post a link to it, please? Also, in Johnson's own words, his suspicions were just speculations. Former President or not, I don't hold Johnson's 'speculations' any higher than I would anyone else's.
As for the rest of your post, FWIW, I can't find too much I'd disagree with. I've often suggested that Oswald was playing a 'game' of spymaster with himself and in that capacity may have been a low-level snitch for one or more of the agencies, not important enough to be classified as an asset, certainly not an agent. Just a 'snitch' occasionally coming up with something useful.