CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Jerry Freeman]

Yawn! Btw I will end this here, if you want to discuss the rifle ownership then create your own thread.

Do you promise...with all your heart?

[Walt Cakebread]

   Mr. STUDEBAKER. No, we took two from the same location when we was up on
          top of the stack of boxes shooting down at it, before they picked it up.


The box you're referring to is sealed in both the photo you referred to ("blue arrows") and the Crime Lab's in-situ photo. It's a box stacked three-high.

What's the photo of the Detective perched on the boxes supposed to prove ??......   

[Walt Cakebread]

If the wood column is centered on 13' from the North wall, the south face of the wood column is 13' 4 3/4" from the North wall. That leaves about 23 1/4" to get to 15' 4". I estimate the box to the immediate south of the column is 2" from the pillar and 18" long. Now we need 3 1/4" inches to get to 15' 4".

Looking West: Showing small gap between wood pillar and 18"-long box

Looking East: Tall stack of cartons (right-foreground) is about 3" south of box by the column

Looking North: Gap where rifle is runs along front of the tall stack

The front of the tall stack of cartons near the rifle location is a further 3"-or-so to the South of the front of the box by the column. That gets you to 15' 4".

CE 515 (marked by Boone)

THe wooden column is 9" square....Use it to find that the box on the south side of the column is 16 inche long.

[Walt Cakebread]

10" south of that box would leave you 20" short of the north edge of the pallet.

That doesn't make any difference....  The rifle would still be BENEATH the pallet......  Even though it might not be DIRECTLY BELOW the pallet.

[Walt Cakebread]

Studebaker is not aiming at the north edge of the pallet (where you just shifted your own location of the rifle). He's pointing here:



   Mr. BALL. Let's see the shots you took of the place where the gun was located?
   Mr. STUDEBAKER. I know it's mine because my knees are in the picture.

Studebaker is not aiming at the north edge of the pallet (where you just shifted your own location of the rifle). He's pointing here:

How do you explain the fact there is no bright sunlight illuminating the area ...and the box above the rifle is wide open?

[Walt Cakebread]

The primary boxes north of the rifle are a row that's three-wide by two-high. They're all open in all the photos. What you pointing to is sealed box that on top of two others; it's sealed in all the photos.

No. The three open boxes don't move and the sealed box remains sealed.

Sunlight didn't get enough to the west side of the building for light to reach the tall stack until, I guess, 2:30 or later.



Studebaker took his in-situ photos about 1:25. The Alyea film shows no sunlight on the tall stack of boxes; Day had to take the rifle over to the window to see it better.


The sun also had to reach around the tall stack of carton on the pallet by the window. The post-discovery photos that have sunlight were taken much later than the in-situ photos.

C'mon Jerry...Try being honest with yourself......You know that the the boxes above the rifle that are wide open in the fake insitu photo were NOT wide open in the photo with the blue arrows.   And you should be intelligent enough to see that the fake in situ photo was taken after dark..... Just look at the box at camera left....That box should be bathed in bright sunshine but it is darker than the box that was directly in front of the camera flash.... IOW...the box to camera left didn't receive the same amount of light as the box directly in front of the camera.

[Walt Cakebread]

Studebaker is not aiming at the north edge of the pallet (where you just shifted your own location of the rifle). He's pointing here:



   Mr. BALL. Let's see the shots you took of the place where the gun was located?
   Mr. STUDEBAKER. I know it's mine because my knees are in the picture.

Studebaker is not aiming at the north edge of the pallet (where you just shifted your own location of the rifle). He's pointing here:

Of course not.....They had realized that Lee Oswald couldn't possible have hid the rifle beneath that pallet AFTER the shooting....So they had to move the rifle closer to the aisle to make it somewhat feasible for Lee to have put the rifle there ( as seen in there fake in situ photo) as he dashed by on his way with the encounter with Baker and Truly in the second floor lunchroom.

If you've viewed the WC "reenactment" of the insertion of the rifle then you should know beyond any doubt that Agent John Howlett couldn't replicate the imaginary  actions of Lee Oswald....So he had to used a light piece of 1" X 3" wood. He knew that he couldn't possibly have jammed the 8 pound, and 4 inch thick carcano  into the crack that was only 1 inch wide.