CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Walt Cakebread]

Yawn!

Kleins sent C2766 to Oswald's PO box.
Oswald was photographed with C2766.
Oswald's rifle was missing from the blanket in the Paine garage.
C2766 was found on the 6th floor of Oswald's workplace.
C2766 contained fresh fibers which matched Oswald's shirt fibers.
C2766 had Oswald's palm print.

Btw I will end this here, if you want to discuss the rifle ownership then create your own thread.

JohnM

Kleins sent C2766 to Oswald's PO box.....This is probably true.

Oswald was photographed with C2766.....This is NOT true.   Lee was photographed with a Mannlicher carcano....There is no way to know the serial number...However the rifle in Lee's hand's seems to be a bit different than the TSBD rifle.... The front sling swivel is on the bottom of the rifle in the BY photo   

Oswald's rifle was missing from the blanket in the Paine garage....  True ...there was no rifle in the blanket....But can you prove that the carcano was ever in that blanket?

C2766 was found on the 6th floor of Oswald's workplace.  True, a carcano with the serial # C 2766 was found well hidden beneath a pallet with boxes of books stacked on it. on the sixth floor.   But it is very easy to replace the barrel and stamp the new barrel with any number you desire. 

C2766 contained fresh fibers which matched Oswald's shirt fibers....   A ha!!....   The FBI claimed the fibers matched the shirt that Lee was wearing at the time of his arrest at the theater. ( and I don't doubt that this is true)....However that arrest shirt is NOT the shirt that Lee was wearing at the TSBD at the time of the shooting.

C2766 had Oswald's palm print..... This definitely a lie.  But I'm not going to go into the reason I know for a fact that it is a lie.   Because laying out the evidence is futile because it is  apparently too difficult for most folks to comprehend.

[Zeon Mason]

If Weizmann was on the south side of stacked up boxes on the pallet and trying to look north underneath of them then he only had a 1/4 inch gap to see thru due to the 2x4s that run east/west

Then in addition to that is the wall of boxes that form the south side wall that completely hide the rifle and were stacked originally side by side with probably no more than a 1/8th inch gap along the east west direction

Therefore,IMO, Weitzman is “embellishing” this supposed sighting of the rifle UNLESS the rifle originally really was basically resting in the 4” gap available between upper and lower 1x4s and the rifle being parallel with the 2x4s structural frame

Since for some reason no photograph was taken of the ORIGINAL configuration of the 2 parallel rows of boxes BEFORE moving some of them out of the way to photo part of the rifle

Then all that can be proposed is that the gap was probably the same as what gap can be seen in the rest of the unmoved portion of walls

Which gap appears (as Walt already pointed out )is NOT 4” wide which is about what would be needed for width of the wooden stock plus off set scope plus bolt handle

IF that gap was only about 1” as it appears in the other section of unmoved boxes forming the 2 walls Then there should have been some scoring/dents etc on inner vertical sides of the boxes due to force of friction reaction to rifle stock and protruding elements of offset scope and the bolt handle

[Walt Cakebread]

If Weizmann was on the south side of stacked up boxes on the pallet and trying to look north underneath of them then he only had a 1/4 inch gap to see thru due to the 2x4s that run east/west

Then in addition to that is the wall of boxes that form the south side wall that completely hide the rifle and were stacked originally side by side with probably no more than a 1/8th inch gap along the east west direction

Therefore,IMO, Weitzman is “embellishing” this supposed sighting of the rifle UNLESS the rifle originally really was basically resting in the 4” gap available between upper and lower 1x4s and the rifle being parallel with the 2x4s structural frame

Since for some reason no photograph was taken of the ORIGINAL configuration of the 2 parallel rows of boxes BEFORE moving some of them out of the way to photo part of the rifle

Then all that can be proposed is that the gap was probably the same as what gap can be seen in the rest of the unmoved portion of walls

Which gap appears (as Walt already pointed out )is NOT 4” wide which is about what would be needed for width of the wooden stock plus off set scope plus bolt handle

IF that gap was only about 1” as it appears in the other section of unmoved boxes forming the 2 walls Then there should have been some scoring/dents etc on inner vertical sides of the boxes due to force of friction reaction to rifle stock and protruding elements of offset scope and the bolt handle

"If Weizmann was on the south side of stacked up boxes on the pallet and trying to look north underneath of them"

Zeon.... I've been posting information for you for several days, and you haven't even learned that Seymour Weitzman was moving from EAST to West as he approached the rifle that was lying on it's right side beneath the northern edge of the wooden pallet.  He was NOT  trying to look north underneath the pallet.

Perhaps you should review the thread.....  This isn't difficult.... Although the photos do tend to confuse those who aren't familiar with the area at the top of the stairs.

If anybody in the forum is confused or doesn't understand the crux of this information, please ask questions.   

[Walt Cakebread]

Weitzman did move from the east side of the building to the west side to search, but he has never described walking westward between the pallets and the northmost row of boxes.



You said the rifle was under the pallet; now it's beneath the northern edge. It keeps creeping northward. The "northern edge" of the pallet in question (lower-right in photo above) is solid wood.



   Mr. BALL - I have three pictures here which I have marked, respectively, D, E, F. I show
           you D first. Does that look anything like the location where you found the gun?
   Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir; this is taken the opposite side the flat I was looking under.

The only confusion is from your interpretations.

Weitzman did move from the east side of the building to the west side to search, but he has never described walking westward between the pallets and the northmost row of boxes.

I don't know what the hell you're babbling about now..... Weitzman did walk eastward between the rows of boxes he then got down on the floor and shined his flashlight beneath the pallet, and he saw the rifle that was pointed at him lying on the floor.

You said the rifle was under the pallet; now it's beneath the northern edge. It keeps creeping northward. The "northern edge" of the pallet in question (lower-right in photo above) is solid wood.

Jerry, Because you seem to be to dishonest to admit the truth even to yourself,  Why don't you mark  the 15' 4" mark on the floor in the photo with the two blue arrows.

[Walt Cakebread]

I figure the part of the floor where the two blue arrows point to is roughly the 15' mark, give or take a few inches. Going by a slight gouge on the floorboards, the boxes that form the crevice seem to have sited a few inches to the North in the "blue arrow" photo. This might be due to the boxes being examined for prints or being moved to extract the rifle.

I figure the part of the floor where the two blue arrows point to is roughly the 15' mark, give or take a few inches.

Try being honest with yourself....We both know that the 9 inch square support columns were at 13 feet from the north wall....The box on the south side of the column  is NOT 28  inches long....  And that means that the 15 "4" mark is about a foot south of that box.

[Walt Cakebread]

   Mr. STUDEBAKER. No, we took two from the same location when we was up on
          top of the stack of boxes shooting down at it, before they picked it up.


The box you're referring to is sealed in both the photo you referred to ("blue arrows") and the Crime Lab's in-situ photo. It's a box stacked three-high.

Yes that's correct the sealed box is the third box in a stack of three .......And it's right where the butt of the rifle is in the fake in situ photo ....And in place of the sealed box is a open box.   And where did the bright sunshine go??    In the photo with the blue arrows there is bright sunshine streaming through the window that is just a few feet west of the area....  But in the fake photo there is only camera flash illuminating the area.

[Walt Cakebread]

I figure the part of the floor where the two blue arrows point to is roughly the 15' mark, give or take a few inches. Going by a slight gouge on the floorboards, the boxes that form the crevice seem to have sited a few inches to the North in the "blue arrow" photo. This might be due to the boxes being examined for prints or being moved to extract the rifle.

The box with the two blue arrows pointing to it is 14"6' from  the north wall.   which means that Studebaker measured the distance from the wall to the rifle 10 inches south of that box.