Mysterious Cuban # 1: Gilberto Policarpo Lopez

[Thomas Graves]

You asked what the concerns were on the Russo page posted so I told you.

Dear Denis,

Was V. T. Lee the founder of the Tampa Chapter?  Did Lee Harvey Oswald correspond with V. T. Lee?

When did Oswald start visiting the Cuban Consulate in Los Angeles? Wasn't it in 1959?

Did Oswald have much of an opportunity to rub elbows with Castroites before that?

While only sixteen in New Orleans, perhaps?

What's your take on the subject of this thread, Gilberto Policarpo Lopez?

Patsied by the CIA?

Victim of circumstances?

A violence-prone, hard-core Commie (according to Lisbette) who had the distinct penchant of being in the wrong place at the wrong time before, during, and after the assassination?

Immediately after the assassination, he stays for three days in the Mexico City Cuban embassy, and then ... he's the only passenger on a largish plane to Havana?

What's up with that?

Bragged about being able to fake epileptic seizures, according to his daughter, Lisbette.

Hmm

Healthy and fit, took no medicines, according to Lisbette. Epileptic seizures?  Ex wife said he was working construction just fine.

Did he sufficiently resemble Oswald to plausibly fool Sheriff's Detective Roger Craig, unintentionally or otherwise?

Told his relatives he was the only passenger on the plane, leaving them mystified as to what, exactly, he was talking about. Interesting "CIA" photo of him wearing shades inside the M.C. airport, yes?

According to his daughter, Gilberto Policarpo Lopez could whistle real loud-like, and did it quite often.  Could he have been the "Oswald" that Sheriff Detective Craig saw running down the grass, whistling for the "getaway car"?

(Will anyone ask Marina if her first hubby could whistle like that?)

Lisbette says he was such a gung-ho Commie, he wanted to fight for Castro in Africa!

From the "Before I Forget Department": Lisbette wants everyone to know that her father, Gilberto Policarpo Lopez, has always denied doing it.

Factoid:  Lisbette says Gilberto's oldest brother (Rafael?) served as a Cuban military attache in the USSR -- she remembers seeing photos to that effect -- and she knows that Gilberto, himself, was in East Germany at some point.

Believe it or not, I could on a bit more ...

But to bring closure, Russo is probably spot on, at least on that one page of his that you "critiqued," Denis.

IMHO

[Steve M. Galbraith]

As I stated: "I see no connection between Lopez, the Tampa branch of the FPCC, and Oswald. Where is it?"

Oswald had no contacts, as far as I've seen, with the Tampa branch/delegation of the FPCC. He did correspond with Lee but that is not connecting him (Oswald) to the Tampa branch.

And how is Lopez visiting Tampa connecting him (Lopez) to the Tampa branch? He visited the city. Nowhere does Russo state or provide evidence that Lopez met Lee.

Russo provides no evidence that Oswald was connected to the Tampa branch; no evidence that Lopez was connected to the Tampa branch; and no evidence that Oswald and Lopez knew each other through that branch (or anything else).

And I'll conclude that if Lopez was somehow involved that it completely blows out of the water your claims that Khrushchev and the KGB were behind the assassination.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Thomas, I'm sure Steve will get back to you with his concerns when ready. Meanwhile, here's a couple of mine; Russo claims Lopez and Oswald had links "to the same branch of the FPCC" that's blatantly incorrect, Lopez had no known link to the New Orleans branch and Oswald had no known link to the Tampa branch, so how do they both have links to the same branch? Also, in the same paragraph, Russo claims Oswald's first contact with pro-Castro Cubans was in Los Angeles, Russo nor anyone else has enough information on Oswald's movements to make that claim. Seems to me Russo at best, can be criticized for exaggerating, at worst for writing outright lies.

Denis: As you stated, Oswald formed his own New Orleans branch/delegation/chapter of the FPCC (it had one member: himself). He had no contacts with the Tampa chapter. He did correspond with Lee when Lee was head at that time of the national FPCC. Lee had been the former head of the Tampa chapter but from what I've read he had left it in 1962. Lee told him not to form a NO chapter since the conditions weren't good. Oswald ignored him.

Russo presents no evidence that Lopez had contacts with the Tampa branch of the FPCC or with Lee. He cites Lopez visiting Tampa but that is all. And his Oswald connection to the Tampa branch/chapter is with Lee. That's a connection with Lee not the chapter.

So, as you point out: where's the connection between Lopez and Oswald through the Tampa chapter? There isn't any.

And to the Cuban matter: Oswald's fellow Marine Nelson Delgado suggested something along these lines. He said he and Oswald were admirers of Castro and wanted to go to Cuban to help the revolution. But once Castro attained power and started imposing his dictatorship that he soured on Castro. However, according to Delgado Oswald continued to support Castro.

Here's his account of Oswald meeting Cuban embassy people:

Mr. DELGADO - ....[H]e kept on asking me about how about--how he could go about helping the Castro government. I didn't know what to tell him, so I told him the best thing that I know was to get in touch with a Cuban Embassy, you know. But at that time that I told him this we were on friendly terms with Cuba, you know, so this wasn't no subversive or malintent, you know. I didn't know what to answer him. I told him go see them.
After a while he told me he was in contact with them.
Mr. LIEBELER - With the Cuban Embassy?
Mr. DELGADO - Right. And I took it to be just a---one of his, you know, lies, you know, saying he was in contact with them, until one time I had the opportunity to go into his room, I was looking for--I was going out for the weekend, I needed a tie, he lent me the tie, and I seen this envelope in his footlocker, wall-locker, and it was addressed to him, and they had an official seal on it, and as far as I could recollect that was mail from Los Angeles, and he was telling me there was a Cuban Consul. And just after he started receiving these letters--you see, he would never go out, he'd stay near the post all the time. He always had money. That's why.

V.T. Lee's testimony is here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/lee_v1.htm
Delgado's is here:

[Thomas Graves]

If Lopez was somehow involved that it completely blows out of the water your claims that Khrushchev and the KGB were behind the assassination.

Dear Steve M.,

Not sure that it matters to you, but I usually say Khrushchev and/or Castro, or the KGB and/or the DGI.

Regardless, please expound on your ludicrous ... pronouncement.

(You do realize, don't you, that the KGB worked "hand in glove" with the DGI?)

-- MWT 

[Thomas Graves]

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen wrote a book talking about him and he tried to sue it, but was not successful.

Lisbette,

That's very interesting.
I'll have to try to find her book, now.
Have you read it?

-- Tom

[Denis Pointing]

It's been a couple of hours now, and all I hear are crickets ...

I'd get used to that sound if I was you. I can't imagine any member here bothering to discuss anything with you ever again. You're too rude and arrogant. Mr Graves, you have the social skills of a pig. No reply required.

[Thomas Graves]

I'd get used to that sound (of crickets) if I was you. I can't imagine any member here bothering to discuss anything with you ever again. You're too rude and arrogant. Mr Graves, you have the social skills of a pig. No reply required.

Denis,

Thank you for setting me straight (and for bumping this thread).

-- MWT   

PS  By the way, which charm school did you graduate from?