Mr Billy Lovelady

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Online John Mytton

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2019, 01:48:36 AM »
Not sure what we are debating, but in the lower picture you posted Lovelady's head has turned in Oswald's general direction and was not fixed in a fashion of simply gazing "generally at people walking by". His head appears tilted slightly upward and in a way that would enable facial recognition.

To me in the following video capture, as Oswald leaves the area, Lovelady has either not recognised or has seen and has no further interest in Oswald. Lovelady appears to be looking below the shoulder level of the man highlighted with pink and maybe Lovelady was just checking out who was who by their clothes and badges? If Lovelady was still looking towards Oswald's face/head, Lovelady's head would be at the same angle as Oswald's and would be more tilted up, imo.



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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2019, 07:59:53 AM »
We can't tell that from viewing that Gif.

Sure we can.

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2019, 08:00:16 AM »

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2019, 08:04:09 AM »
The first doc. is available at fold3.com . It is a subscription site, height and weight are on back of the form,
my screen shot trigger finger is  barely quick enough to capture the image of the front of the 1942 draft form...
The enlistment form displays only as text on ancestry.com and was captured in a screen shot.

https://www.fold3.com/image/624687289/?xid=991


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It would be great to see the back of the form, where the key physical details are...

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2019, 08:21:07 AM »
Friends, thanks to Mr Scully, it looks like the 'Jack Dougherty' rabbit-hole is blocked up!

So this guy in the background is definitely not Mr Dougherty, right?



Is he definitely Mr Lovelady?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2019, 10:38:21 AM »
Friends, I got it wrong on Mr Dougherty. Hands up, and thanks again to Messrs Scully and Crow for setting me right!  Thumb1:

But!

I am still not convinced that Mr Lovelady is the man in the plaid shirt on 22 November.

It seems to me we might possibly be dealing with 2 different men here:

1. The Real Mr Billy Nolan Lovelady (a.k.a. Almost-Completely-Bald-On-Top Lovelady) in short-sleeved shirt with vertical red and white stripes
------Wiegman
------Altgens [I'll come to this!]
------later seen in the photo sneaked of him in 1964:



2. Not-So-Bald-On-Top 'Lovelady' (though with a large bald spot on crown) in Red Plaid Shirt
-------DPD squadroom footage
-------Hughes
-------Martin


I would like to propose-----------as a tentative theory------------the following:

1. Mr Lovelady is the 'Doorway Man' in Altgens
1a. He was wearing the short-sleeved red/white striped shirt

2. Another man looking somewhat like Mr Lovelady (and hence somewhat like someone else) was... elsewhere at the time of the motorcade
2a. He had a prominent bald spot and was, at the time of the motorcade, wearing only a white tshirt

3. After the assassination...
3a. Mr Lovelady went back into the building and stayed there until being brought down to City Hall
3b. 'Mr Lovelady' (who had been caught by Officer Baker "walking away from the stairs" on "the third or fourth floor" but vouched for as an employee by Mr Truly) stood out on the steps, smoking... he was now wearing a red plaid shirt

4. 'Mr Lovelady' (plaid shirt) was a worker in the Depository: we see him up on the sixth floor in the white t-shirt he'd been wearing... elsewhere at the time of the motorcade


5. Both Mr Lovelady and 'Mr Lovelady' were brought down to City Hall to give statements, but...
5a. 'Mr Lovelady' was there in the squadroom when Mr Oswald was brought in
5b. Mr Lovelady was not.

Now!

You-------------being smart people------------will roll your eyes and say:

'But if this 'other Lovelady' is not Billy Lovelady, then who the heck is he? With Jack Dougherty ruled out, you're all out of candidates!'

Bien au contraire!

There are in fact two other candidates for 'Mr Lovelady':

-------Mr Franklin Kaiser
-------Mr Fred Kaiser, Jr. (white, male, 24 years old)

Messrs. Kaiser and Kaiser were brothers

-----------------One of them claimed to have been getting his teeth done at Baylor Dental Clinic the day of the assassination, yet the Depository payroll shows him having worked a full day that day
-----------------The other claimed to have quit his job at the Depository the day before the assassination.

If I am right, then Mr Lovelady's vacillating story about the shirt, and his terror of being photographed in public, came down to one thing:

He was covering for one of the Kaiser brothers.

Is this none other than the sixth-floor shooter seen by Mr Brennan, Mr Fischer, Mr Edwards and Mr Euins?:


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2019, 02:17:35 PM »
I am proposing that the first big visual secret which Mr Billy Nolan Lovelady was trying desperately to keep after the assassination was that, as of 11/22/63, he was bald as a coot on the top of his head:

This is what the Wiegman film clearly shows us:



It's what the earliest wirephoto versions of the Altgens photo tell us:





And, if we look closely, it's what the later public version also shows us:



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