Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?

[Walt Cakebread]

Whaley then drove Oswald over to Oak Cliff and, according to his testimony of March 12th, 1963, dropped him at the 500 block of North Beckley. The Warren Commission became incredibly preoccupied with the timings involved in this cab ride because Oswald needed to be at his rooming house at 1:00pm so he could set off on time for his rendezvous with Officer J.D. Tippit. Unfortunately, in William Whaley?s first round of testimony that he gave in Washington D.C. he threw a spanner in the works. He stated under oath that the journey from the Greyhound station to the 500 block of North Beckley took ?nine minutes.? The cab driver of 37 years was adamant that the journey took nine minutes. The Warren Commission had to get Oswald from the bus to the Greyhound station between 12:44pm and 12:47pm. Three minutes to walk three blocks. Remember Whaley stated that Oswald ?slowly? walked up to the taxi so it gives the appearance that Oswald was quite casual in his approach. If Oswald did make the three blocks whilst slowly walking from Elm Street to Lamar in three minutes then a nine minute taxi ride to Oak Cliff would have dropped him at the 500 block of Beckley at 12:56. He now has to walk 5 blocks in less than 4 minutes. The Warren Commission got around this by getting Whaley back on the stand on April 8th, 1963. Whaley now u-turned on his testimony that he gave the previous month. The Commission, prior to this ?new? testimony got Whaley to accompany a Secret Service driver and do a ?new? set of re-enactments. The journey now took, not 9 minutes, but ?a little more than 5 minutes.? Not only did the ?new? re-enactments come in significantly lower than the ?old? set that Whaley had performed with the FBI but the location where Oswald got out had also changed. Whaley now claimed that Oswald got out at the 700 block of North Beckley. Oswald was now in the taxi for three and half minutes less time AND he was closer to the boarding house. Job done. Or so it would seem.  copied from an internet site.....
http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t505-william-whaley-cab-36-and-lee-oswald


Mr. BELIN. Let the record show that the stopwatch was 5 minutes and 30 seconds from the commencement of the ride to the end of the ride, and let the record further show that Dr: Goldberg and Mr. Robert Davis from the Texas attorney general's office and I walked back from the point where the Deponent Whaley told us he let the passenger off at the residence at 1026 North Beckley, and that this walk took 5 minutes and 45 seconds.

The time of nine minutes for the trip may be a bit low also..... It all depends on the speed that Whaley traveled.... 
If Whaley drove 30 MPH he elapsed time for the trip would have been about 11 minutes.....

So for the sake of easy arithmetic let's say the trip from the bus depot to the 700 block of N. Beckley took 10 minutes.

Then Lee would have had to walk back to the rooming house and Belin said they timed that walk at nearly 6 minutes.

Lee arrived at the rooming house at 1:00 pm .....so if he had been Whaley's passenger he would have passed by the rooming house at about 12:52pm... ( accounting for the time for the cab to travel three blocks and  paying the fare and disembarking)

IOW....  Mr Brown believes that the police could have determined that the assassin was the arch villain Lee Harrrrvey Ossssswald, and discovered that the villain was living at 1026 N Beckley and then traveled too that Beckley address in less than 22 minutes.....

In his original affdavit Whaley wrote that he was at the Greyhound bus station at 12:20.....

And he said nothing about a lady asking Whaley to call a cab for her.....  Which would have been unnecessary because the area in front of the Greyhound station was a designated Taxi stand.......

[Walt Cakebread]

Nope.  I never said that.

Really?.....   Didn't you say that Lee Oswald was Whaley's passenger and he told Whaley that he wanted to go to the 500 block of N Beckley?

500 N.Beckley was  FIVE  blocks past the rooming house....  And according to the official tale Lee was in a hurry....and yet he would have wasted time by riding FIVE blocks past the rooming house just so he could see if there were any police waiting for him at the rooming house.... If Lee had been in Whaleys cab he could have given Whaley the 900 block of N.Beckley as his destination and accomplished what you believe he did..( assuring himself that there were no police waiting for him)   He would have saved about eight minutes if he had asked to be transported to the 900 block of N. Beckley.

IOW....He would have arrived at he rooming house at about 12:50  instead of 1:00 pm.....and that would have had him departing the Greyhound bus station at about 12:40....ooops!....Big Problem here....He was on Mc Watters bus at 12:40.

I think the obvious answer is....  Whaley was a bullSitting  cabbie who allowed his BSing to get him involved in a mess that the WC used in a fabricated scenario to frame Lee Oswald.

[Bill Brown]

Really?.....   Didn't you say that Lee Oswald was Whaley's passenger and he told Whaley that he wanted to go to the 500 block of N Beckley?

500 N.Beckley was  FIVE  blocks past the rooming house....  And according to the official tale Lee was in a hurry....and yet he would have wasted time by riding FIVE blocks past the rooming house just so he could see if there were any police waiting for him at the rooming house.... If Lee had been in Whaleys cab he could have given Whaley the 900 block of N.Beckley as his destination and accomplished what you believe he did..( assuring himself that there were no police waiting for him)   He would have saved about eight minutes if he had asked to be transported to the 900 block of N. Beckley.

IOW....He would have arrived at he rooming house at about 12:50  instead of 1:00 pm.....and that would have had him departing the Greyhound bus station at about 12:40....ooops!....Big Problem here....He was on Mc Watters bus at 12:40.

I think the obvious answer is....  Whaley was a bullSitting  cabbie who allowed his BSing to get him involved in a mess that the WC used in a fabricated scenario to frame Lee Oswald.

Really?.....   Didn't you say that Lee Oswald was Whaley's passenger and he told Whaley that he wanted to go to the 500 block of N Beckley?

Yes.

500 N.Beckley was  FIVE  blocks past the rooming house....  And according to the official tale Lee was in a hurry....and yet he would have wasted time by riding FIVE blocks past the rooming house just so he could see if there were any police waiting for him at the rooming house.... If Lee had been in Whaleys cab he could have given Whaley the 900 block of N.Beckley as his destination and accomplished what you believe he did..( assuring himself that there were no police waiting for him)

In my opinion, Oswald exited the cab three blocks south of the rooming house (instead of just one block) in an attempt to distance himself from the rooming house in case Whaley somehow came to realize who he gave a ride to at a point in time before the authorities were aware of the rooming house.  In other words, I think Oswald was covering all the possibilities at both ends of the spectrum (make sure the police weren't at the rooming house AND don't let a cab driver know his true address).  Remember, Oswald first walked south after exiting Whaley's cab to throw off Whaley about his true destination.

IOW....He would have arrived at he rooming house at about 12:50  instead of 1:00 pm.....and that would have had him departing the Greyhound bus station at about 12:40....ooops!....Big Problem here....He was on Mc Watters bus at 12:40.

First of all, at one minute per block, how does walking four extra blocks equate to saving ten minutes?

Anyway, I believe Oswald, seeing that there were no police cars at the rooming house, decided to exit the cab just three blocks past the house, not five.  So your scenario of having Oswald exit the cab in the 900 block would have saved him two blocks, which is only two minutes of walking time, not the ten minutes like you suggest above.

[John Mytton]

Yes.


In my opinion, Oswald exited the cab three blocks south of the rooming house (instead of just one block) in an attempt to distance himself from the rooming house in case Whaley somehow came to realize who he gave a ride to at a point in time before the authorities were aware of the rooming house.  In other words, I think Oswald was covering all the possibilities at both ends of the spectrum (make sure the police weren't at the rooming house AND don't let a cab driver know his true address).  Remember, Oswald first walked south after exiting Whaley's cab to throw off Whaley about his true destination.


First of all, at one minute per block, how does walking four extra blocks equate to saving ten minutes?

Anyway, I believe Oswald, seeing that there were no police cars at the rooming house, decided to exit the cab just three blocks past the house, not five.  So your scenario of having Oswald exit the cab in the 900 block would have saved him two blocks, which is only two minutes of walking time, not the ten minutes like you suggest above.

I reckon that Oswald told Whaley that his address was on the 500 block of Beckley and Whaley wrote down the 500 block of Beckley but Oswald realizing that the coast was clear got off at 700, and as the day wore on and Oswald became a just a distant memory, Whaley later referred to his written notes to refresh his memory and saw the 500 block.
And the extra distance of the fare would be probably favourable for his time sheet?



At a google type of every day walking it takes about 7 minutes but we know from Roberts that Oswald came in a rush.



Btw I don't know where the CTs are going with this because the much more powerful evidence is that Earlene Roberts saw Oswald at about 1PM and that's enough time for Oswald to to meet Tippit at the corner of Patton and Tenth



JohnM

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes.


In my opinion, Oswald exited the cab three blocks south of the rooming house (instead of just one block) in an attempt to distance himself from the rooming house in case Whaley somehow came to realize who he gave a ride to at a point in time before the authorities were aware of the rooming house.  In other words, I think Oswald was covering all the possibilities at both ends of the spectrum (make sure the police weren't at the rooming house AND don't let a cab driver know his true address).  Remember, Oswald first walked south after exiting Whaley's cab to throw off Whaley about his true destination.


First of all, at one minute per block, how does walking four extra blocks equate to saving ten minutes?

Anyway, I believe Oswald, seeing that there were no police cars at the rooming house, decided to exit the cab just three blocks past the house, not five.  So your scenario of having Oswald exit the cab in the 900 block would have saved him two blocks, which is only two minutes of walking time, not the ten minutes like you suggest above.

Anyway, I believe Oswald, seeing that there were no police cars at the rooming house, decided to exit the cab just three blocks past the house, not five.  So your scenario of having Oswald exit the cab in the 900 block would have saved him two blocks, which is only two minutes of walking time, not the ten minutes like you suggest above.

Here's what David Belin said....   It's not my suggestion....  Nearly six minutes to walk back to the rooming house and that's not counting the time in the cab or paying the driver, or walking AWAY from the rooming house....

Mr. BELIN. Let the record show that the stopwatch was 5 minutes and 30 seconds from the commencement of the ride to the end of the ride, and let the record further show that Dr: Goldberg and Mr. Robert Davis from the Texas attorney general's office and I walked back from the point where the Deponent Whaley told us he let the passenger off at the residence at 1026 North Beckley, and that this walk took 5 minutes and 45 seconds.

So ten minutes is a reasonable time.....

[Walt Cakebread]

I reckon that Oswald told Whaley that his address was on the 500 block of Beckley and Whaley wrote down the 500 block of Beckley but Oswald realizing that the coast was clear got off at 700, and as the day wore on and Oswald became a just a distant memory, Whaley later referred to his written notes to refresh his memory and saw the 500 block.
And the extra distance of the fare would be probably favourable for his time sheet?



At a google type of every day walking it takes about 7 minutes but we know from Roberts that Oswald came in a rush.



Btw I don't know where the CTs are going with this because the much more powerful evidence is that Earlene Roberts saw Oswald at about 1PM and that's enough time for Oswald to to meet Tippit at the corner of Patton and Tenth



JohnM

Mr Mytton you're not worth debating......  You can be shown solid FACTS and you ignore them and offer some stupid theory in rebuttal.  You're intellectually dishonest.....

[Walt Cakebread]

I reckon that Oswald told Whaley that his address was on the 500 block of Beckley and Whaley wrote down the 500 block of Beckley but Oswald realizing that the coast was clear got off at 700, and as the day wore on and Oswald became a just a distant memory, Whaley later referred to his written notes to refresh his memory and saw the 500 block.
And the extra distance of the fare would be probably favourable for his time sheet?



At a google type of every day walking it takes about 7 minutes but we know from Roberts that Oswald came in a rush.



Btw I don't know where the CTs are going with this because the much more powerful evidence is that Earlene Roberts saw Oswald at about 1PM and that's enough time for Oswald to to meet Tippit at the corner of Patton and Tenth



JohnM

Look at Whaley's manifest.....The last entry says the passenger paid $1.05 for a 4 mile ride.....

The wino who was wearing the blue Workman's uniform that Whaley transported from the Greyhound bus station to the 700 block of N. Beckley paid a fare of 95 cents and Whaley said the meter was just short of clicking to $1.05 when the man exited his taxi...IOW the trip was just short of 4 miles......