How'd He Do That?

[Richard Smith]

There are several photos, .... They all show the crowd with puzzled and bewildered looks and body language.   I know that you can't see that because of your acute case of cranialrectalitis.....

Mrs. POSTAL. That is when I really started shaking. I had never seen a live mob scene, that----
Mr. BALL. Well----
Mrs. POSTAL. They said, "What is going on?" And someone said, "Suspect," and they started in this way, just about that time I got out to the box office, back to the box office, and they stared screaming profuse language and----"Kill the so-and-so," and trying to get to him, and this and that and the officers were trying to hold on to Oswald----when I say, "Oswald," that man, because as I said, I didn't know who he was at that time and they was trying to hold him, because he was putting up a struggle, and then trying to keep the public off, and on the way to the car, parked right out front, one of the officers was----at that time I thought he was putting his hat on the man's face to try to keep the public from grabbing him by the hair, but I later read in the paper it was to cover his face and then he got him in the ear, and all bedlam, so far as the public, broke.

[Walt Cakebread]

Mrs. POSTAL. That is when I really started shaking. I had never seen a live mob scene, that----
Mr. BALL. Well----
Mrs. POSTAL. They said, "What is going on?" And someone said, "Suspect," and they started in this way, just about that time I got out to the box office, back to the box office, and they stared screaming profuse language and----"Kill the so-and-so," and trying to get to him, and this and that and the officers were trying to hold on to Oswald----when I say, "Oswald," that man, because as I said, I didn't know who he was at that time and they was trying to hold him, because he was putting up a struggle, and then trying to keep the public off, and on the way to the car, parked right out front, one of the officers was----at that time I thought he was putting his hat on the man's face to try to keep the public from grabbing him by the hair, but I later read in the paper it was to cover his face and then he got him in the ear, and all bedlam, so far as the public, broke.

It's a pity that you can't see the photos.... As the old adage says.....  "One picture is better than ten thousand words."...

Now then...Back to the subject ....   How did J.Edgar Hoover know the identity of the man who had been dragged from the theater BEFORE any police officer had even  looked through the man's wallet in search of some Identification card.  ??

[Richard Smith]

Now then...Back to the subject ....   How did J.Edgar Hoover know the identity of the man who had been dragged from the theater BEFORE any police officer had even  looked through the man's wallet in search of some Identification card.  ??

Brutal.  Even if you type that statement over and over it is still a false premise.  You have cited zero evidence that would somehow prove that Hoover knew Oswald's identity before the police looked through his wallet.  Oswald was arrested at about 1:50.  He had multiple IDs in the name LHO.  When he is taken in, Shelley sees him and confirms it is Oswald.  Oswald confirms to CT Walker that he is not Hidell.  All this takes places shortly after 2.  Hosty is informed of the identity of assassin as LHO around this time and a call is immediately made to FBI HQ with that information.  So Hoover has that information shortly after 2PM.  Now show us your evidence that Hoover made reference to Oswald before the police searched his wallet.

[Walt Cakebread]

Brutal.  Even if you type that statement over and over it is still a false premise.  You have cited zero evidence that would somehow prove that Hoover knew Oswald's identity before the police looked through his wallet.  Oswald was arrested at about 1:50.  He had multiple IDs in the name LHO.  When he is taken in, Shelley sees him and confirms it is Oswald.  Oswald confirms to CT Walker that he is not Hidell.  All this takes places shortly after 2.  Hosty is informed of the identity of assassin as LHO around this time and a call is immediately made to FBI HQ with that information.  So Hoover has that information shortly after 2PM.  Now show us your evidence that Hoover made reference to Oswald before the police searched his wallet.

Page 16  Assignment : Oswald   Written by FBI Agent James Hosty.... ( You may recall that Hosty was in the thick of it)

TIME 2:15 P. M.    A hand clutched my elbow. I spun, Howe was in my face.  "They've just arrested a guy named Lee Oswald, and they're booking him for the killing of the policeman over in Oak Cliff.   Officer's name was Tippit.

From this tidbit of information we can learn that Howe had learned of a telephone call  call prior to informing Hosty....so Agent Howe probably learned the man's was Lee Oswald at approximately 2:05 P.M.    ......   But at 2:05 P.M. the suspect was in a police car being transported to police headquarters and nobody had identified him.
 But according to Hosty Howe told him the suspect's name at 2:15..... 

At the bottom of page 16....the conversation between Howe and Hosty, is wrapped up....  Howe told me to go talk to Shanklin... "Shanklin is on the telephone with FBI headquarters"   Shanklin was standing behind his desk, still on the phone.  -------Some extraneous text about Shanklin's personal appearance  deleted -----  Shanklin said "Headquarters wants YOU Hosty to get down to the police department and take part in the interrogation of Oswald."

So it's obvious that FBI headquarters in Washington DC knew far in advance that the man's name was Lee Oswald .....FBI Headquarters knew the identity before the Dallas police knew......

[Richard Smith]

Page 16  Assignment : Oswald   Written by FBI Agent James Hosty.... ( You may recall that Hosty was in the thick of it)

TIME 2:15 P. M.    A hand clutched my elbow. I spun, Howe was in my face.  "They've just arrested a guy named Lee Oswald, and they're booking him for the killing of the policeman over in Oak Cliff.   Officer's name was Tippit.

From this tidbit of information we can learn that Howe had learned of a telephone call  call prior to informing Hosty....so Agent Howe probably learned the man's was Lee Oswald at approximately 2:05 P.M.    ......   But at 2:05 P.M. the suspect was in a police car being transported to police headquarters and nobody had identified him.
 But according to Hosty Howe told him the suspect's name at 2:15..... 

At the bottom of page 16....the conversation between Howe and Hosty, is wrapped up....  Howe told me to go talk to Shanklin... "Shanklin is on the telephone with FBI headquarters"   Shanklin was standing behind his desk, still on the phone.  -------Some extraneous text about Shanklin's personal appearance  deleted -----  Shanklin said "Headquarters wants YOU Hosty to get down to the police department and take part in the interrogation of Oswald."

So it's obvious that FBI headquarters in Washington DC knew far in advance that the man's name was Lee Oswald .....FBI Headquarters knew the identity before the Dallas police knew......

How exactly does any of that make it obvious that FBI HQ knew "far in advance" that the suspect was LHO?  LOL.  That is funniest thing I've read in a long time.  Even the stuff you made up doesn't support your desired outcome.  It's a simple linear sequence of events that presents no great mystery:

Mr. HOSTY. No, sir; it was approximately 1:30 that we got the report that a police officer had been killed in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, and that the police were surrounding a movie theatre where the suspect was allegedly located.
Shortly after 2 o'clock, we received information that this man had been captured and taken to the Dallas Police Department. One of our agents called from the Dallas Police Department and identified this man as Lee Harvey Oswald. I immediately recognized the name.


Mr. HOSTY. Right. There are no regional offices. I then took the file to the agent in charge, told him that we had a case on Lee Harvey Oswald. While I sat there he immediately called headquarters and advised headquarters here in Washington, D.C., that Lee Harvey Oswald was under arrest down at Dallas and had been observed shooting a police officer. They had eyewitnesses to his killing of Officer Tippit.

[Walt Cakebread]

How exactly does any of that make it obvious that FBI HQ knew "far in advance" that the suspect was LHO?  LOL.  That is funniest thing I've read in a long time.  Even the stuff you made up doesn't support your desired outcome.  It's a simple linear sequence of events that presents no great mystery:

Mr. HOSTY. No, sir; it was approximately 1:30 that we got the report that a police officer had been killed in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, and that the police were surrounding a movie theatre where the suspect was allegedly located.
Shortly after 2 o'clock, we received information that this man had been captured and taken to the Dallas Police Department. One of our agents called from the Dallas Police Department and identified this man as Lee Harvey Oswald. I immediately recognized the name.


Mr. HOSTY. Right. There are no regional offices. I then took the file to the agent in charge, told him that we had a case on Lee Harvey Oswald. While I sat there he immediately called headquarters and advised headquarters here in Washington, D.C., that Lee Harvey Oswald was under arrest down at Dallas and had been observed shooting a police officer. They had eyewitnesses to his killing of Officer Tippit.

Shortly after 2 o'clock, we received information that this man had been captured and taken to the Dallas Police Department. One of our agents called from the Dallas Police Department and identified this man as Lee Harvey Oswald. I immediately recognized the name.

One of our agents called from the Dallas Police Department and identified this man as Lee Harvey Oswald  ( Shortly after 2 o'clock)

Ahh... But my dear Mr "Smith".... The official story (tale) says that Captain Fritz had not determined the Identity of the suspect  and was trying to determine if the man's name was A.J. hidell, Lee Harvey Oswald, or OH Lee....    And YOU  yourself Mr "Smith" have used this very argument when you have argued that Lee Oswald had several alias.   So since Fritz hadn't determined the man's name at 2:30....How the hell could the FBI have known...Hmmmmmmm?

[John Iacoletti]

Oswald confirms to CT Walker that he is not Hidell.  All this takes places shortly after 2.

How do you know when this alleged conversation about "Hidell" took place?