Did Lee Oswald know....??

[Walt Cakebread]

There is solid reason to believe that Lee never knew that the sixth floor was being presented as the crime scene where the shots had been fired from....

On page 630 of the WR you'll find the report of Secret Service Inspector Kelley....

Kelley says that he sat in on the final interrogation of Lee Oswald which occurred at 9:30 AM  on 11/24 / 63 ...( Less than two hours before Lee Oswald was lynched.)

Kelley writes:....Capt. Fritz displayed an Enco street map of Dallas which had been found among Oswald's effects at the rooming house. Oswald was asked whether the map was his and whether he had put some marks on it. He said that it was his, and remarked,

"MY God! don't tell me there's a mark where this thing happened."

The mark was pointed out to him and he said, "What about the other marks on the map?- I put a number of other marks on it.  I was looking for work and marked the places where I went for jobs or where I heard there were jobs"

Captain Fritz terminated the interview at that.....

That's a very strong indication that Lee was never informed that The TSBD was being presented as the place from which the shots were fired.

And if that is true...all of the arguments about Lee telling the interrogators that he was in the first floor lunchroom was nothing but a lie and an alib.... go up in smoke..

I've seen a photo of the Enco Map.... But I don't recall seeing it opened with the marks visible on it.     Can anybody guide me to a picture of the map which reveals the marks that Lee Oswald placed on that map?   

I have no doubt that Lee Oswald exclaimed ... "MY God! don't tell me there's a mark where this thing happened." And obviously that would indicate that Lee was ignorant, and did not know the facts......   OR he was feigning ignorance.    But I doubt that he could have feigned ignorance and fooled Inspector Kelley. 

But Kelley knew that JFK had been murdered on Elm street just a few yards west of the TSBD...and Lee would have been a damned fool to pretend that he didn't know that information. ( Feigned ignorance would indicate lying and possible guilt)

I've always accepted that Lee went out to the stub dead end street in front of the TSBD  after he left the second floor lunchroom....And he stood around for a few minutes and talked to Foreman Bill Shelley and watched the police searching the railroad cars before departing the area.    Based on that, It's entirely possible that Lee was never told that the official crime scene was the sixth floor of the TSBD.... And his astonishment upon Learning that the TSBD was the crime scene would be a very solid indication of innocence.....   

There is an Enco map at the Dallas archives website that is purported to be Oswald's map...but there are no marks on it.... 

[Colin Crow]

Interesting question Walt. Don?t have my resources handy at the moment but I don?t recall if he was even asked if he was on the 6th floor by anyone....he may have been. He did answer a reporter if he was in the building at the time and his reply....."of course if I work in that building"...

Others were certainly asked early on about the 6th floor and specifically whether they had sighted the accused on that floor that day.

Is there anything from Marina or Robert or Ruth in their dealings with him in custody?

[Oscar Navarro]

By the time Oswald was under interrogation it had been pretty firmly established the shots had come from the SN at the TSBD. Oswald was asked by Fritz were he had been when the shots were fired (or something to that effect) and he answered eating his lunch on the first floor. Oswald was again asked the same question on the second day of interrogation but he didn't take the bait and continued with his lie that he was not where everyone would knew he had been. On the third day of interrogation Oswald just about phu..ed up and admitted to Postal Inspector Holmes that he went down after the commotion and then left after the Baker incident. It's too bad Inspector Holmes didn't pursue this any further at the time but he can't be blamed as nobody knew that Ruby would kill the little SOB moments later.

[Walt Cakebread]

Interesting question Walt. Don?t have my resources handy at the moment but I don?t recall if he was even asked if he was on the 6th floor by anyone....he may have been. He did answer a reporter if he was in the building at the time and his reply....."of course if I work in that building"...

Others were certainly asked early on about the 6th floor and specifically whether they had sighted the accused on that floor that day.

Is there anything from Marina or Robert or Ruth in their dealings with him in custody?

I don?t recall if he was even asked if he was on the 6th floor by anyone...

I have not been able to find any indication that Lee ever knew that the sixth floor was being presented to the public as the place where the shots had been fired from.
And his incredulous question to Inspector Kelley ..... "MY God! don't tell me there's a mark where this thing happened."...  is a very strong indicator that he was ignorant, and unaware of the basic tale that all of us accept as the foundation of the case.

IF Lee never knew that the sixth floor was the official crime scene,a whole new picture emerges....   For example...  If He knew that the TSBD and specifically the sixth floor was the crime scene... He would logically have put as much distance between himself and that place as possible at the time of the shooting....So instead of telling Fritz that he was in that building when the motorcade passed by he would probably told Fritz that he'd gone to Buell  Frazier's car to see if he had left some item in Frazier's car, and was on his way back to the TSBD when the motorcade passed down Elm street.  The fact that he admitted being in the building speaks to his innocence.... 

[Oscar Navarro]

Oswald was being sarcastic. Anyways, how in God's green earth does Oswald admitting he was "in the building" prove the little rat was innocent?

[Walt Cakebread]

Oswald was being sarcastic. Anyways, how in God's green earth does Oswald admitting he was "in the building" prove the little rat was innocent?

how in God's green earth does Oswald admitting he was "in the building" prove the little rat was innocent?

Little Rat??   Wow!!... You're still sore that Lee "ratted you out" and told RFK that the Cuban "Freedom Fighters were training on a farm on the north shore of Lake Ponchatrain near Mandeville La.  And the results of his "ratting" on the Cubans got some of them tossed out of the country....

[Oscar Navarro]

how in God's green earth does Oswald admitting he was "in the building" prove the little rat was innocent?

Little Rat??   Wow!!... You're still sore that Lee "ratted you out" and told RFK that the Cuban "Freedom Fighters were training on a farm on the north shore of Lake Ponchatrain near Mandeville La.  And the results of his "ratting" on the Cubans got some of them tossed out of the country....

The little rat might have turned in the Cuban freedom fighters if he had known but there's absolutely no proof that he did know. Anyways, my question remains unanswered. Take your time, I'm not in any hurry.