Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

[Mike Orr]

No proof of Oswald being in Mexico City in 1963 !

[Thomas Graves]

No proof of Oswald being in Mexico City in 1963 !

I agree.

He was probably impersonated over sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone lines on Saturday September 28, and on Tuesday October 1 by the same KGB officer (Nikolai Leonov) who had given Sylvia Duran some taken-in-Minsk photos of Oswald, and who had given her an already-forged Cuban application form, and who had told her and the Cuban consul, Eusebio Azcue, what to do and say (with Fidel Castro's permission, of course) about the "Oswald" who had allegedly visited them, desperately trying to get to the USSR via Cuba.

All speculation, of course, but it is interesting to note that the combined descriptions of "Oswald" that Duran gave in 1963 and in 1978, and which Azcue gave in 1978, describe Leonov to a "T", and he would have had access to those photos taken in Minsk, and to the high-quality forgery services of his KGB colleagues.

--  MWT 

[Ted Shields]

No proof of Oswald being in Mexico City in 1963 !

Apart from multiple eye witnesses and multiple Oswald signatures.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Apart from multiple eye witnesses and multiple Oswald signatures.

And multiple documents - two from Oswald himself - stating it.

After he returned from MC, he mailed a typewritten letter to the Soviet Embassy in Washington discussing the visit (he complained about his treatment by the Cubans) and asking them to expedite his visa request. It was typed on Ruth Paine's typewriter (verified by the FBI). Both Ruth and Marina testified they saw him typing it. He had written out a rough draft - found by Ruth Paine - of that letter (below). The draft letter was in his handwriting. The typed letter was signed by him. The address on the label was identified as being written by him.

Witnesses on the bus going and returning, witnesses in MC, signatures, documents, photos for his transit visa application, circumstantial evidence....it's a pretty long list. I'm not sure what more is needed. Cuban and Soviet officials/personnel, including three KGB agents, said the man they met was Oswald. Were they in on it too? The CIA-KGB-Cuban intelligence conspiracy to frame Oswald? Whew, everybody was out to setup poor Oswald. The guy couldn't catch a break.

I keep repeating this in the hope that it'll get through. A triumph of hope over experience <g>.

[Jerry Freeman]

And multiple documents - two from Oswald himself - stating it.
I keep repeating this in the hope that it'll get through. A triumph of hope over experience 
 The guy couldn't catch a break.

Yawn-- Please give us one.
 

Apart from multiple eye witnesses and multiple Oswald signatures.

Ho hum.

[Walt Cakebread]

Apart from multiple eye witnesses and multiple Oswald signatures.

You're right, Mr Shields.   There's plenty of evidence that Lee went to Mexico City at the end of September 1963.    I cannot understand why some folks deny that he was there....   

I do believe that J.Edgar Hoover is responsible for the disinformation that created the controversy.  After the murder of JFK,   Hoover did not want it known that his "Extra Special" agents were behind the Mexico City escapade.   They had manipulated Lee Oswald into going to Mexico City where Cuba had an embassy in which Lee could apply for a visa to Cuba.   This was all part of the "sheep dipping" that they had been performing to make Lee Oswald appear to be a  communist and a friend of Cuba.

The fact that the  Cuban Ambassador  refused to grant Lee Oswald a visa is strong evidence that the Cubans knew that they were being scammed.   

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Here is Marina's account to the HSCA of her discussions with Oswald about him going to Mexico City and what would then happen to her. She had remarried and taken the Porter name.

Mr. McDONALD - What was your reaction to this whole affair, going to Mexico City, going back to Dallas
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - I was very upset about it. I did not know if I would see Lee again. I had to be responsible for one child and I had expecting another one. So, anyway, I was quite lost. On top of everything, I could not share that with no one.
Mr. McDONALD - Could you share it with Ruth Paine?
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - No.
Mr. McDONALD - Why do you say that?
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - Well, I don't know why, but I was not approved of what Lee did, but at the same time he was my husband and I have to be somehow loyal to him.
Mr. McDONALD/MARINA - When he left for Mexico City, when you both parted in New Orleans, when did you expect to see him again?
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - I honestly did not expect to see him again, but he said that if his trip to the Cuban Embassy would be unsuccessful and they would not permit him to go to Cuba, then he would come back to Ruth Paine's house in Irving, Tex.
Mr. McDONALD - That he would not come back?
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - He will come back.
Mr. McDONALD - You are saying--the question was, when did you expect to see him again?
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - In the matter of a week.
Mr. McDONALD - You did expect him to come back?
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - Well, if he did, it was understood if he can go to Cuba right away, he will go, but if he can't, then he come back to Texas.
Mr. McDONALD - If he had been successful in getting to Cuba right away, what was your plan? What were you to do?
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - Well, he said that he will be in touch with me and send for me to follow him to Cuba.
Mr. McDONALD - Did he ever discuss if he were unsuccessful in getting into Cuba, that he would try to go back to the Soviet Union from Mexico City?
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - Yes, that was discussed, too.
Mr. McDONALD/MARINA - At that point was he willing to go back to the Soviet Union?
Mrs. PORTER/MARINA - As far as I remember right now, I think, yes.

So when he came back from the failed attempt to get into Cuba he sent a letter to the Soviet Embassy in Washington asking them to process his visa application. He was still willing - if Marina is correct - to go to the USSR. But the Soviet officials had decided to reject his (and Marina's) application. Oswald was stuck in the US, a country whose political and economic systems he said were part of a "slave" system.

Link/testimony: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscamar2.htm