Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

[Zeon Mason]

Seems like there was consensus reached by the MIC in BOTH super power nations that nuke war was NOT a viable option. And that the future profiteering off warfare would be from proxy conventional warfare by 3rd world elements whom could be sold small arms and munitions by either or both super power MIC

The USSR comrade commissar was amenable to the new idea this was not assassinated
The USA Nationalist Populist President on the other hand confronted the MIC aspirations for expanded 3rd world warfare in Vietnam vowed to “scatter the CIA to the winds”. He was assassinated about one month later. replaced with an MIC supporting LBJ

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Seems like there was consensus reached by the MIC in BOTH super power nations that nuke war was NOT a viable option. And that the future profiteering off warfare would be from proxy conventional warfare by 3rd world elements whom could be sold small arms and munitions by either or both super power MIC

The USSR comrade commissar was amenable to the new idea this was not assassinated
The USA Nationalist Populist President on the other hand confronted the MIC aspirations for expanded 3rd world warfare in Vietnam vowed to “scatter the CIA to the winds”. He was assassinated about one month later. replaced with an MIC supporting LBJ

Where did JFK say he would "scatter the CIA to the winds"? Answer: nowhere. It's a made up quote that has never been attributed to anyone on record and certainly not to JFK.

The source for this claim is apparently here: https://www.nytimes.com/1966/04/25/archives/cia-maker-of-policy-or-tool-survey-finds-widely-feared-agency-is.html

If you read the piece - and this is only source for it that I know of - no one is mentioned. It's an anonymous source who says JFK said it. That's almost worthless.

What does the CIA have to do with Vietnam?

The cause of the Third World warfare was the Soviets arming and funding guerilla armies to install Marxist or Moscow-supporting regimes. JFK knew this. That is why he tried to counter it with his own policies. Look up "Green Berets" for example.

JFK believed that the Soviets were an existential threat to the West. He was going to defend it from that threat. As he was going to say the day he was killed:

"We in this country, in this generation, are - by destiny rather than choice-the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of "peace on earth, good will toward men." That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago: "except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

That's a steadfast defender of the US and someone not willing to surrender to the Soviets.

And one more: Lee Harvey Oswald did indeed go to Mexico City. He wanted to defect to Cuba. Had he done so JFK would not have been assassinated in Dallas.

[John Iacoletti]

And one more: Lee Harvey Oswald did indeed go to Mexico City. He wanted to defect to Cuba. Had he done so JFK would not have been assassinated in Dallas.

How could you possibly know that?

[Thomas Graves]

Where did JFK say he would "scatter the CIA to the winds"? Answer: nowhere. It's a made up quote that has never been attributed to anyone on record and certainly not to JFK.

The source for this claim is apparently here: https://www.nytimes.com/1966/04/25/archives/cia-maker-of-policy-or-tool-survey-finds-widely-feared-agency-is.html

If you read the piece - and this is only source for it that I know of - no one is mentioned. It's an anonymous source who says JFK said it. That's almost worthless.

What does the CIA have to do with Vietnam?

The cause of the Third World warfare was the Soviets arming and funding guerilla armies to install Marxist or Moscow-supporting regimes. JFK knew this. That is why he tried to counter it with his own policies. Look up "Green Berets" for example.

JFK believed that the Soviets were an existential threat to the West. He was going to defend it from that threat. As he was going to say the day he was killed:

"We in this country, in this generation, are - by destiny rather than choice-the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of "peace on earth, good will toward men." That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago: "except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

That's a steadfast defender of the US and someone not willing to surrender to the Soviets.

And one more: Lee Harvey Oswald did indeed go to Mexico City. He wanted to defect to Cuba. Had he done so JFK would not have been assassinated in Dallas.

Steve M.,

You're absolutely right about the Soviet (Sino-Soviet, actually) threat to The West during the Cold War (which, btw, never ended as far as the Kremlin was concerned), and JFK's realistic appraisal of same.

In 1963, Kennedy sent a personal message (outside regular channels) to U.S.-despising Charles de Gaulle to the effect that the French government and its intelligence services had, based on intel from true-defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, been severely penetrated by the KGB.

But to no avail. De Gaulle (and even the few non-"mole" members of his inner circle -- lol) didn't heed JFK's advice as it created boucoup cognitive dissonance and potential embarrassment for the French leader and his lackeys, and only careless traitor Georges Paques was caught, and red-handed (pardon the pun), at that.

Point being: Kennedy was a charismatic anti-communist, and, as we now know regarding the Castro regime in Cuber, was not above playing a complicated, two-track strategy against the Commies.

--  MWT 

[Jerry Freeman]

Where did JFK say he would "scatter the CIA to the winds"? Answer: nowhere. It's a made up quote that has never been attributed to anyone on record and certainly not to JFK.

I could crush a Grape ooooh yummy yummy statement #1

What does the CIA have to do with Vietnam?

I could crush a Grape ooooh yummy yummy statement #2

And one more: Lee Harvey Oswald did indeed go to Mexico City. He wanted to defect to Cuba. Had he done so JFK would not have been assassinated in Dallas.

And one more: [I could crush a Grape ooooh yummy yummy statement] Who told you he wanted to defect--- your lower backside? Maybe not Dallas but Kennedy's number was up.

[Margaret Kelly]

Is this the "Slawson-Coleman" report?:

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/contents/wc/contents_wcmemo_Oswald-Foreign-Activities.htm

I thought this report was supposed to be on Oswalds mexico city trip. The chapter headings don't mention mexico city.

[Jerry Freeman]

Getting the story right....

J. Edgar Hoover had not ruled out the possibility of a communist plot to kill John F. Kennedy. At 1.40 on 29th November, Hoover told Lyndon B. Johnson on the telephone: "This angle in Mexico is giving us a great deal of trouble because the story there is of this man Oswald getting $6,500 from the Cuban embassy and then coming back to this country with it. We're not able to prove that fact, but the information was that he was there on the 18th of September in Mexico City and we are able to prove conclusively he was in New Orleans that day. Now then they've changed the dates. The story came in changing the dates to the 28th of September and he was in Mexico City on the 28th. Now the Mexican police have again arrested this woman Duran, who is a member of the Cuban embassy... and we're going to confront her with the original informant, who saw the money pass, so he says, and we're also going to put the lie detector test on him."

That evening Fernando Gutiérrez Barrios told Winston Scott that Gilberto Alvarado had recanted and signed a statement admitting that his story of seeing Lee Harvey Oswald in the Cuban Embassy was completely false. He said his motive was to try to get the United States to take action against Fidel Castro.

A few days later Gilberto Alvarado reverted to his original story. He told his Nicaraguan handler that the only reason that he recanted was that his interrogators threatened "to hang him by his testicles". However, soon afterwards, he recanted again.

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKduranS.htm
For those Limeys, Aussies, and Canucks that don't know anything about the Mexican Federales ..they are just as brutal as any cartel members...many of them are cartel members.