Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

[Denis Pointing]

His ease to get back is an odd one though I don't deny that.

Not really Ted, a bit of a myth this one. Oswald was free to return to the US anytime he wanted, he'd never officially renounced his US citizenship. The only hold up was waiting for the US embassy to issue a new passport. As Oswald was still a full US citizen the US was legally obliged to issue one just as they were legally obliged to give Oswald a repatriation loan, they had no choice, the US couldn't refuse even if they wanted to. As a USSR citizen Marina was more of a problem, the USSR made her wait almost a year for the necessary documents but this was really just out of spite, the fact was that the USSR wanted rid of the "pesky American" and were glad to see the back of him. 

[Walt Cakebread]

This is possible, although I don't believe it despite it being what I originally believed/assumed.

Couple of points on that.

Would the CIA send a 19 year old with a bad attitude and a history of erratic behaviour to Russia as a spy? Aside from that, is it not far to obvious? CIA/KGB plant spies stay dormant for years and years, sometimes decades. Surely sending an American ex Marine is just too obvious a move? Same reason I don't think Oswald was "turned" in Russia to work for the KGB and sent back to America.

His ease to get back is an odd one though I don't deny that.

A couple of points in rebuttal and then I believe I'll take a hiatus ( Because I believe trying to advance peoples knowledge about the coup d e'tat is hopeless)

Would the CIA (The US Government) send a 19 year old with a bad attitude and a history of erratic behaviour to Russia as a spy?

The very fact that you don't believe it.... is a very strong argument that the Russians also would not believe that a kid like Lee Oswald could be a agent.

As a trained spy???.... No probably not.....But as a decoy and a distraction for Russian intel ...yes definitely.  Lee had no major mission or agenda when he was sent to Russia...  I suspect that his mission was connected to FG Powers U-2 overflight and he needed to be in position prior to the U-2 flight. 

BTW...  If Lee Oswald  truly had been a problem for the Marines they would  have discharged him during basic training, but the testing reveal that they had a highly intelligent recruit who had aspirations of becoming a spy like Herb Philbrick. They recognized that they could groom him and use him, and that's exactly what they did.   He was naturally self reliant ( some call him a loner) and was able to think of solutions to problems quickly.   I would remind you that he quickly corrected himself ( covered up a slip of the tongue) when he was debating Carlos Briniguer on the radio in New Orleans.   The Cuban revealed that Lee had defected from the US and went to live communist Russia.    Lee retorted that he was under the auspices of the US government during that period.   Then realizing that he had revealed that he had been working for the US government he quickly changed that statement saying that as an American citizen he was under the protection of the U.S.government.

With that I'll take my leave...and wish you well....

[Denis Pointing]

A couple of points in rebuttal and then I believe I'll take a hiatus
With that I'll take my leave...and wish you well....

Yeah, well make ita bloody long one and do us all a favour. Why would anyone post that on a forum anyway? Did you imagine every member was going to post back begging you not to go?   

[Rick Plant]

Russian speaking Oswald sent a letter in English to the Soviet Embassy?
Posted by: Steve M. Galbraith
? on: Today at 09:15:35 PM ? A managed story it seems. "They" didn't come along until after the assassination and contrived the whole incident. Where did the whole trip to Mexico story come from?
  And..Is this really our Harvey? A liaison there way back then?
 Dispatch HMMA-32243 of 13 June 1967, covering TX-1937 of 26 May 1967; Chapter IV, 38.
https://www.history-matters.com/pds/DP3_Overview.htm
I have searched every Oswald in Mexico City link possible since the thread was originally started and I cannot find one mention of one very important document....What about Oswald's passport? He had to have one to request a visa to Cuba...Russia....or Timbuktu.

  The application made...what happened to this new passport? Or, was it ever issued?A long super essay about everything here.........
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret_Chapter3.html

Interesting read. Thanks!

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Oleg Nechiporenko, the then Vice Consul for the Soviet Consulate in Mexico City, recalled in his book on Oswald that on September 27th 1963 a man came to ask for a visa to the Soviet Union and:

"Presented his American passport, issued in the name of Lee Harvey Oswald. He also showed a marriage certificate to Marina Prusakova. Nechiporenko told historian Peter Dale Scott that he had not the slightest doubt that the man he met at the Soviet Embassy was Lee Harvey Oswald - or else "his identical twin".

From Nechiporenko's book: "Passport to Assassination", pp 66-67

And this: Patricia Winston, an Australian youg woman who along with her friend were on a bus headed to Mexico City: "It was on the bus to Mexico City that we encountered Lee Oswald. He heard us speaking English and wanted to talk to us, and so we talked about our travels and he told us that he'd been to Russia. He went, then, and got his passport and showed us the Russian stamp on his passport."

From PBS Frontline's "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?"
link:  https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/oswald/transcript/

And one more: Pamela Mumford accompanied Winston on the bus. She testified that she met and talked to Oswald on the bus headed towards Mexico City.

Here, in part, is her WC testimony:
Miss MUMFORD. I will have to refer to notes. Oh, yes; the first thing he told us was that he was from Fort Worth, in Texas. And he wanted to know where we had been, and we told him we were Australians. He wanted to know the places we had visited. We told him. And he mentioned that he had been in Japan while he was in the Marines, and that was the closest he had got to Australia and that he would very much like to go to Australia.
He then told us that he had been to Russia and asked whether we had ever been to Russia. We said no, and we told him of a friend of ours, a fellow Australian, who had been to Moscow, and her experiences there.
And we asked him what he was doing in Russia and did he have trouble getting in. He said that he was studying there. He had an apartment in Moscow and was studying. We didn't ask him what he was studying.
At this stage he showed us his passport that had a Russian stamp on it; some sort of a Russian stamp. And he didn't mention his Russian wife at all. But We noticed he had a gold wedding ring on his left hand.

source/link: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/mumford.htm

[Jerry Freeman]

From Nechiporenko's book: 

I believe Mr Graves has posted about that.

And this: Patricia Winston, an Australian young woman who along with her friend were on a bus headed to Mexico City: "It was on the bus to Mexico City that we encountered Lee Oswald. He heard us speaking English and wanted to talk to us, and so we talked about our travels and he told us that he'd been to Russia. He went, then, and got his passport and showed us the Russian stamp on his passport."

It seems strange or at least out of character for the normally recluse and snobby Lee to engage in friendly chit chat with a stranger and show them all of his confidential information. And what did he do...show them his expired passport? Supposedly--as I understand it---he had applied for a new one... 

June 24, 1963: LHO applies for a new passport.

  http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/chrono.htm
...also don't we still wonder what ever happened to that particular passport [that could not possibly have had any Russian stamps in it]?
J Hoover wrote this memo on 11-22-63 ... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62251#relPageId=96&tab=page
Note that he stated that "Oswald was not a communist and that Oswald had been to Cuba on several occasions"
 

[Jerry Freeman]

Hoover was insane....  Power corrupts.....  Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.    Hoover was mad with power....He had his own small band of loyal agents who answered only to Hoover, and they would jump like puppets on a string at anything Hoover suggested.   They had sent Lee to MC to try to obtain a visa to Cuba. They wanted to tie Lee Oswald to Castro so that after they murdered JFK they could blame Castro and attack Cuba.

From an earlier reply...

J Hoover wrote this memo on 11-22-63 ... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62251#relPageId=96&tab=page
Note that he stated that "Oswald was not a communist and that Oswald had been to Cuba on several occasions"

How did/could he possibly know that? Unless..there was indeed an imposter gallivanting around posing as Oswald.
The memo was sent to "his own small band of loyal agents"
No doubt Jane Edna Hoover played footsie with whoever had the drop on him...organized crime/mob/mafia whatever...  He knew Kennedy was going to retire him.
Oh don't forget...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking
Everybody wanted Havana back for their own personal playground.