Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting

[Bill Chapman]

Learn the evidence. No one saw LHO walking 7 blocks, but multiple witnesses saw him getting into a car.

Name the 'multiple' witnesses
And where did your 'Oswald' wind up?

[Walt Cakebread]

You made that up. There is no record of Oswald ever having made that statement.

Common sense for a rational person is all that is needed...  Lee told the interrogators that he saw those guys come in...That's all that's really necessary...  because Jarman and Norman told the interrogators that they did in fact come in through the back door and walk to the west elevator.

And even a elementary school kid can deduce that If Lee saw Jarman and Norman "come in" then he had to be on the first floor just as he said he was....

[Colin Crow]

You made that up. There is no record of Oswald ever having made that statement.

A question for you Tim......

Here is Fritz's relevant WC testimony.

Mr. BALL. He mentioned who he was having lunch with, did he not?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; he told me he was having lunch when the President was shot.
Mr. BALL. With whom?
Mr. FRITZ. With someone called Junior, someone he worked with down there, but he didn't remember the other boy's name.

Do you believe that Oswald ever made any statement to that effect to Fritz?

[Tim Nickerson]

A question for you Tim......

Here is Fritz's relevant WC testimony.

Mr. BALL. He mentioned who he was having lunch with, did he not?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; he told me he was having lunch when the President was shot.
Mr. BALL. With whom?
Mr. FRITZ. With someone called Junior, someone he worked with down there, but he didn't remember the other boy's name.

Do you believe that Oswald ever made any statement to that effect to Fritz?

Yes, I do believe that he made that statement in one of the interview sessions. Secret Service Agent Thomas Kelley also heard him say it.

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[Colin Crow]

So you believe that Oswald tried to create an alibi by identifying two individuals in the "lunchroom" with him. These two were directly below the SN and their conversations likely audible to a 6th floor assassin in the SE window.

So in your view an innocent pleading assassin Oswald was some kind of moron, one whose best explanation was to include individuals who could easily prove him to be a liar. Possible that he even knew they were not able to be even in the lunchroom at the time of the shots. This was after he was aware some of his fellow workmates were at DPDHQ with him and being questioned.

What a cunning plan.....


There were others present aside from Kelley......what did they say? This was afterall a key piece of the investigation......the accused's alibi. He was asked on more than one occasion I believe.

Wonder if there was any confusion about "lunchroom" by those present at the interrogations. Did those present have a good idea of the layout of the building at the time and the workers lunch habits?

[Oscar Navarro]

I'll answer your two questions with very simple answers. Oswald was not eating his lunch (no witnesses saw him ) but was in the 6th floor of the TSBD from where he shot three rounds from c2766 and killed JFK and wounded JBC.

Two TSBD employees entered the TSBD at the rear door at 12:27.... They were Junior Jarman and Harold Norman. They walked across the first floor and entered the west elevator and rode it to the fifth floor.  Lee Oswald told Captain Fritz and FBI agent James Hosty that he watched Jarman and Norman as the traveled to the elevator.   

Please explain how Lee could have watched Jarman and Norman as they traveled across the first floor if he was on the sixth floor???

The timeline for Norman's and Jarman's presence on the first floor is sketchy. Harold Norman said on his 12/4/1963

 " About 12:15 P.M. on this same date, after I had eaten my lunch, I went to the fifth floor of the building to watch the parade of the President pass the building. Bonnie Ray Williams and James Jarman, who also worked at this building went with me. We took a position in the south-east corner of the building on the fifth floor and I was looking out the window which is closest to the east end of the buuilding overlooking Elm Street."

Bonnie Ray Williams said he ate his chicken lunch on the 6th floor and then "went down to the fifth floor, where he joined Norman and Jarman at approximately 12:20 PM." WR, page 68

Junior Jarman testified that Bonnie Ray Williams joined both he and Norman a few minutes after they had arrived at the fifth floor. WCH, Vol III, page 203

The best estimate was arrived at by the WC and places all three on the fifth floor at approximately 12:20 p. m." WR, page 68

As to Oswald's recollection on the first day of interrogation he said nothing about eating lunch with anybody. It was during the second day interrogation that Oswald claimed to Fritz to have eaten lunch with Junior and "a little short man whose name he did not know,". This is also the same version given by SSA Kelley in his report. (WR, page 626) In Brookhouts version (CE - 1988) Oswald's says to Fritz that "he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book depository, alone,  but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period".

In Postal Inspectors H. D. Holmes version of his interrogation of Oswald in the morning of 11/24 Oswald does not even say he ate lunch.

"When asked as to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated that when lunch time came, and he didn't say which floor he was on, he said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he stated "You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes." (here Oswald is probably referring to Givens). Before he could finish whatever he was doing, he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he went downstairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this, he simply walked out of the front door of the building. WR, page 636.

As can be seen Oswald changed his story from eating lunch alone in the first floor lunchroom on the first day of interrogation to eating lunch with Junior and probably Norman on the second to actually incriminating himself by admitting he walked down to the second floor after the assassination. Junior Jarman denied having eaten lunch with Oswald. This Oswald alibi of having eaten lunch with them can be explain by the probability of Oswald hearing Junior speaking to Norman as he was sitting in the 6th floor SN. The probability of this is further enhanced by BRW's testimony that the reason he went to down to the fifth floor after eating his lunch on the sixth floor was that he heard walking and the opening of windows just below him.


 

[Oscar Navarro]

Mr. BALL. Who was standing with you when you were standing on the sidewalk, on the Elm Street sidewalk?
Mr. NORMAN. I remember it was Danny Arce.
Mr. BALL. And who else?
Mr. NORMAN. I remember seeing Mr. Truly and Mr. Campbell. They were standing somewhere behind us, not exactly behind us but they were back of us.
Mr. BALL. Anybody else?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I believe Billy Lovelady, I think. He was sitting on the steps there.
Mr. BALL. He was?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes. That is about all the employees I remember seeing out there. There were more people out there.
Mr. BALL. Did you stay there?

Mr. NORMAN. Well, we stayed there I believe until we got the news that the motorcade was coming down, let's see, is that Commerce, no Main, because Commerce- we went back in the building, James Jarman and I.

A timeline of the Presidential Motorcade taken from Dallas Police Radio logs indicates the Motorcade got to Main about 12.24pm.  Jarman estimated the time they left the front of the TSBD to be 12.20-12.25.  They walked approximately 200 ft to the west elevator and about 160 ft to the SE corner of the 6th floor. This would take about a minute at 6ft per sec walking speed. The elevator took about 45 seconds to reach the 5th floor. They could have been in position on the fifth floor about 2 minutes after departing the front steps and may have been in position on the 5th floor around 12.26 or slightly earlier depending on the accuracy of the broadcast.

It was only after this that Williams vacated the snipers nest.

It was only after this that Williams vacated the snipers nest.

So, your claim is that BRW was the shooter?