Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy

[Michael Walton]

https://peternewburysblog.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/oswalds-kostikov-letter/

I found this on another forum. This, to me, is as close to a Rosetta Stone that's out there to show that LHO was being set up.

[Oscar Navarro]

Actually that is wrong
When we talk of a conspiracy to murder
It involves 2 or more people pre-planning  a murder
that is a conspiracy to murder
that is all

yes you can reference a "wider" conspiracy
but usually when people reference a conspiracy they mean more than LHO
Thats why when the HSCA rules a probable conspiracy
it is quite open ended, it means more than 1 (but could be 1,000)

Only the US Government could have done what was done
come on Oscar you know that

I know what a conspiracy is and you emphatically state that the evidence points to the US government. I counter that there's as much evidence for US involvement as there is for the countries and entities mentioned, including Crosby, Stills and Nash. In other words, there's none. All there is is speculation about motives, half truths, weird guilt by association (as that provided by Tom Scully for example), fabrications, opinions from luminaries that are vague or misguided, partial readings of official government documents that omit context, not believing the testimony of individuals who are at the center of the alleged controversy (Nicholas Katzenbaugh for example), the reliance on interviews from individuals who are purported to have inside knowledge (Brothers in Arms for example).. I'm sure you get my drift.

[Oscar Navarro]

Mr Narvarro, Just answer this question:.... Could any of the "suspects" you have named controlled the autopsy of President Kennedy?

There's no doubt that the autopsy was a sham....   Who had the power to control that autopsy?

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question. The events that led to the autopsy being performed at Bethesda is documented in The Death of a President by William Manchester, a civilian and not subject to any military or governmental pressure. The reason for the incompleteness of the autopsy being an incomplete one was mainly due to Jaqueline Kennedy who didn't even want an autopsy performed. It was as a result to deference to her wishes and the pressure to end the autopsy as quickly as possible due to Jaqueline's presence at Bethesda Naval Hospital and her desire to get on with the ceremony and her late husbands burial. According to Dr. Humes he was not under any pressure but I think he knows that Dr. Burkley was hurrying things up and interfering in the process as a curtesy to both Robert and Jaqueline Kennedy. I have to be somewhere at the moment so I'll continue later today.

Nevertheless, photos and X-Rays taken at Bethesda of the Presidents body and wounds should leave no doubt there was only one entry wound to the head and back and only one exit wound to the head. The path of the bullet can be traced in JFK's head as coming from rear to front and the large wound to the right side of the head corresponds with that shown in the Zapruder film. So, even though the doctors at Bethesda did not trace the wound from JFK's back to the throat the evidence in JFK's tie and shirt, plus the Zapruder film showing JFK assuming the Thorburg position as JBC is shown to be on the receiving end of a bullet, clearly indicate that the bullet that entered JFK's upper back exited through his throat and then entered JBC in the back, exited through his chest (see lapel flip), and struck his right wrist (see hat flip as JBC is holding it with his right hand).

For anyone who insist that there was some nefarious reason behind the choice of Bethesda as the hospital , for the choice of the doctors to perform the autopsy, that the documented evidence (such as the photos, X-Rays, Humes autopsy report) were faked, and that the testimony of the doctors performing the autopsy were lies, definite provable evidence must be produced or else you're just rowing up the river without a paddle.

[Walt Cakebread]

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question. The events that led to the autopsy being performed at Bethesda is documented in The Death of a President by William Manchester, a civilian and not subject to any military or governmental pressure. The reason for the incompleteness of the autopsy being an incomplete one was mainly due to Jaqueline Kennedy who didn't even want an autopsy performed. It was as a result to deference to her wishes and the pressure to end the autopsy as quickly as possible due to Jaqueline's presence at Bethesda Naval Hospital and her desire to get on with the ceremony and her late husbands burial. According to Dr. Humes he was not under any pressure but I think he knows that Dr. Burkley was hurrying things up and interfering in the process as a curtesy to both Robert and Jaqueline Kennedy. I have to be somewhere at the moment so I'll continue later today.

Nevertheless, photos and X-Rays taken at Bethesda of the Presidents body and wounds should leave no doubt there was only one entry wound to the head and back and only one exit wound to the head. The path of the bullet can be traced in JFK's head as coming from rear to front and the large wound to the right side of the head corresponds with that shown in the Zapruder film. So, even though the doctors at Bethesda did not trace the wound from JFK's back to the throat the evidence in JFK's tie and shirt, plus the Zapruder film showing JFK assuming the Thorburg position as JBC is shown to be on the receiving end of a bullet, clearly indicate that the bullet that entered JFK's upper back exited through his throat and then entered JBC in the back, exited through his chest (see lapel flip), and struck his right wrist (see hat flip as JBC is holding it with his right hand).

For anyone who insist that there was some nefarious reason behind the choice of Bethesda as the hospital , for the choice of the doctors to perform the autopsy, that the documented evidence (such as the photos, X-Rays, Humes autopsy report) were faked, and that the testimony of the doctors performing the autopsy were lies, definite provable evidence must be produced or else you're just rowing up the river without a paddle.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question. The events that led to the autopsy being performed at Bethesda is documented in The Death of a President by William Manchester, a civilian and not subject to any military or governmental pressure. The reason for the incompleteness of the autopsy being an incomplete one was mainly due to Jaqueline Kennedy who didn't even want an autopsy performed. It was as a result to deference to her wishes and the pressure to end the autopsy as quickly as possible due to Jaqueline's presence at Bethesda Naval Hospital and her desire to get on with the ceremony and her late husbands burial. According to Dr. Humes he was not under any pressure but I think he knows that Dr. Burkley was hurrying things up and interfering in the process as a curtesy to both Robert and Jaqueline Kennedy. I have to be somewhere at the moment so I'll continue later today.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy.

Thank You...Nuff said...  However I have a question.

Since this was the body of the President Of the United States, who had been brutally murdered.... Can you please offer me a plausible explanation That ....The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy.

Don't bother with the B.S. about Jackie having the power to circumvent the law.... .... 

[Oscar Navarro]

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question. The events that led to the autopsy being performed at Bethesda is documented in The Death of a President by William Manchester, a civilian and not subject to any military or governmental pressure. The reason for the incompleteness of the autopsy being an incomplete one was mainly due to Jaqueline Kennedy who didn't even want an autopsy performed. It was as a result to deference to her wishes and the pressure to end the autopsy as quickly as possible due to Jaqueline's presence at Bethesda Naval Hospital and her desire to get on with the ceremony and her late husbands burial. According to Dr. Humes he was not under any pressure but I think he knows that Dr. Burkley was hurrying things up and interfering in the process as a curtesy to both Robert and Jaqueline Kennedy. I have to be somewhere at the moment so I'll continue later today.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy.

Thank You...Nuff said...  However I have a question.

Since this was the body of the President Of the United States, who had been brutally murdered.... Can you please offer me a plausible explanation That ....The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy.

Don't bother with the B.S. about Jackie having the power to circumvent the law.... ....

I'll tell you this. Read Death of a President by William Manchester. Until you do don't bother asking me what I should bother about.

[Walt Cakebread]

I'll tell you this. Read Death of a President by William Manchester. Until you do don't bother asking me what I should bother about.

Death of a President was one of the first books I read about the murder of JFK....That was decades ago ( I've read it a couple of times)  and I'm still puzzled by the way Manchester related and described events....  The prose seemed to be so flamboyant and bombastic that I've long wondered if Manchester was writing with tongue in cheek.... I reached the conclusion that Machester wanted to reveal information that he could only impart if he made it sound implausible ......

[Tim Nickerson]

I'll tell you this. Read Death of a President by William Manchester. Until you do don't bother asking me what I should bother about.

I agree. I've got a copy. A must read for anyone interested in the Kennedy assassination.