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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: "We have developed no evidence"....
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2018, 05:59:12 PM »
You've got that backward. It was Hoover who decided the assssination on day 1 when he concluded that LHO was the lone gunman.
>>> That era was the height of The Cold War. Arguably, any first day statements Hoover made about the assassination were tempered by the need to calm public fears about any Russian involvement and the clear-and-present-danger of global nuclear war.

Slam dunk or not, Oswald remains the prime suspect some 55 years later


Hoover made no first day statements, at least not publicly. He just decided they had their man without having looked at a single piece of evidence.

Slam dunk or not, Oswald remains the prime suspect some 55 years later

That seems, for some reason that escapes me, to be extremely important to you…. You seem to have a lot of emotion invested in Oswald's guilt. One can only wonder why….. It's not like you knew the guy personally, is it.


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You lot are as children.

I take that by making such a comment you feel you are acting as a grown up, right?

>>> I'm 'forever young' according to my friends. Do tell us how your 'grownups' should 'act', barrister.

I'm 'forever young immature according to my friends.

There, I fixed it for you!
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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2018, 06:00:47 PM »
Name one other person on the face of the earth who was present during both murders.

Instead of just assuming it, why don't you try and prove that one person was present at both murders!

Online Mark Valenti

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2018, 06:24:19 PM »
Name one other person on the face of the earth who was present during both murders.


Jim Braden/Eugene Hale Brading comes closest.

He was detained in Dealey Plaza and five years later he was in Los Angeles the night RFK was shot.

He claimed that he was in bed with his wife at the Century Plaza Hotel as RFK was being shot.

The only trouble with that story is that his estranged wife denied being in LA with him, having separated from him six months previously.

It's a giant conspiracy theory leap to suggest Braden was actually IN the Ambassador Hotel. However, he was definitely in Los Angeles, and his alibi crumbled. No one ever learned where he actually was that night.


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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2018, 07:06:05 PM »
even at that early point, they had found Oswald's rifle at the crime scene.

Oh really HOW?? had they determined that the carcano was owned by Lee Oswald??  Lee said that he didn't own a rifle.  Just HOW?? had they determined that he owned the carcano that was found carefully hidden beneath pallets of boxes of books?

 He carried a long package that morning,

Perhaps he did carry a paper sack, but the witnesses who saw the sack swore under oath that it was too short to have contained the carcano even in the disassembled state.  And Frazier swore that the paper of the sack that Lee carried was LIGHT WEIGHT crinkly paper, and not at all like the heavy weight paper of the sack that the police said they found beneath the SE corner window.

Are you really suggesting that it was suspicious or impossible for the FBI to link the rifle to Oswald within a couple of days because it was "carefully hidden" behind some boxes for about an hour before being found?  Whew. The FBI found the records on the night of 11.22/23 that confirmed that the MC rifle found on the 6th floor was sent to Oswald's PO Box.  It had the same serial number as the rifle found on the 6th floor.  Oswald worked in that building.  It didn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes to reach this determination.  They had the documents to prove it.  I don't understand why anyone would suggest this couldn't have been done so quickly.   Or why it matters how long it took.

Your nonsense about the bag is laughable.  Oswald made an unexpected trip to the Paine house where his wife confirms he kept a rifle.   Frazier confirms Oswald carried a long bag to work the next morning, but for some reason Oswald denies this.  If it did not contain the rifle, then Oswald would seemingly have every incentive to admit to carrying a long bag and direct the police to it.  Instead he lies.  And his prints are found on such a bag.  And his rifle is gone when the police check the garage on 11.22.  In over fifty years no one has provided any explanation for his rifle not being there except as the one found in the TSBD as confirmed by the prints, serial number, documents, and known circumstances.

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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2018, 07:33:12 PM »
Your nonsense about the bag is laughable.
As so is the endless reiteration of Agent Smith.
 

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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2018, 07:48:59 PM »

As so is the endless reiteration of Agent Smith.


Sounds like a broken record, doesn't he?

Online Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2018, 10:18:16 PM »
Are you really suggesting that it was suspicious or impossible for the FBI to link the rifle to Oswald within a couple of days because it was "carefully hidden" behind some boxes for about an hour before being found?  Whew. The FBI found the records on the night of 11.22/23 that confirmed that the MC rifle found on the 6th floor was sent to Oswald's PO Box.  It had the same serial number as the rifle found on the 6th floor.  Oswald worked in that building.  It didn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes to reach this determination.  They had the documents to prove it.  I don't understand why anyone would suggest this couldn't have been done so quickly.   Or why it matters how long it took.

Your nonsense about the bag is laughable.  Oswald made an unexpected trip to the Paine house where his wife confirms he kept a rifle.   Frazier confirms Oswald carried a long bag to work the next morning, but for some reason Oswald denies this.  If it did not contain the rifle, then Oswald would seemingly have every incentive to admit to carrying a long bag and direct the police to it.  Instead he lies.  And his prints are found on such a bag.  And his rifle is gone when the police check the garage on 11.22.  In over fifty years no one has provided any explanation for his rifle not being there except as the one found in the TSBD as confirmed by the prints, serial number, documents, and known circumstances.

Are you really suggesting that it was suspicious or impossible for the FBI to link the rifle to Oswald within a couple of days because it was "carefully hidden" behind some boxes for about an hour before being found?

Of course not.... I should have realized that there would be readers who are of diminished reasoning ....

The problem is:... The rifle had not yet been fired by the FBI to create a bullet for ballistic comparison.  So there was no way that hoover could have determined that the carefully hidden rifle was in fact the murder weapon.

Hoover already had the serial number of the mannlicher carcano that Klein's had sent the the PO box of a Marine turn coat, commie who he had under surveillance.  Hoover knew that he could connect the rifle to Lee Oswald. 

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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2018, 11:07:27 PM »
Name one other person on the face of the earth who was present during both murders.

Don't have to and not doing so doesn't change my statement one iota.

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2018, 11:10:40 PM »
Are you really suggesting that it was suspicious or impossible for the FBI to link the rifle to Oswald within a couple of days because it was "carefully hidden" behind some boxes for about an hour before being found?  Whew. The FBI found the records on the night of 11.22/23 that confirmed that the MC rifle found on the 6th floor was sent to Oswald's PO Box.  It had the same serial number as the rifle found on the 6th floor.  Oswald worked in that building.  It didn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes to reach this determination.  They had the documents to prove it.  I don't understand why anyone would suggest this couldn't have been done so quickly.   Or why it matters how long it took.

Your nonsense about the bag is laughable.  Oswald made an unexpected trip to the Paine house where his wife confirms he kept a rifle.   Frazier confirms Oswald carried a long bag to work the next morning, but for some reason Oswald denies this.  If it did not contain the rifle, then Oswald would seemingly have every incentive to admit to carrying a long bag and direct the police to it.  Instead he lies.  And his prints are found on such a bag.  And his rifle is gone when the police check the garage on 11.22.  In over fifty years no one has provided any explanation for his rifle not being there except as the one found in the TSBD as confirmed by the prints, serial number, documents, and known circumstances.

Says the guy who believes that an invisible bag is important somehow.

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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2018, 06:02:15 AM »
Walt, Richard is posting in this thread because he practices an approach similar to mine. In your threads he sees an opportunity
to pick low hanging fruit. From experience he expects it is not difficult to challenge your claims because they do not evolve.

Silly.  What difference does the status of the investigation within two days of the assassination matter over fifty years later?  But even at that early point, they had found Oswald's rifle at the crime scene.  He had lied about and provided no explanation for it.  Oswald was a known political kook.  He carried a long package that morning, fled the TSBD within minutes, and was involved in the murder of a police officer less than an hour after the assassination.  His guilt was a slam dunk then.  And it is a slam dunk now.

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The Kennedy Assassination and the Current Political Moment

http://joanmellen.com/wordpress/speeches/the-kennedy-assassination-and-the-current-political-moment/
Talk at the 92nd Street Y,
 JANUARY 28, 2007
 THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION AND THE CURRENT POLITICAL MOMENT

by Joan Mellen

It happened going on forty-four years ago, and yet the murder of President Kennedy remains simultaneously a subject of fascination and yet is still taboo within mainstream discourse. You will not find a free exchange of views on the Kennedy assassination in the “New York Times”....
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This surprising invocation of the Kennedy assassination occurred on January 2 nd at the funeral of President Gerald Ford, the last surviving member of the Warren Commission. I’ll read this extraordinary revealing paragraph from George H. W. Bush’s eulogy for those who missed it:

“After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy, our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness – and a conspiracy theorist can say what they will – but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this matter. Why? Because Gerry Ford put his name on it and Gerry Ford’s word was always good.”

Allow me to add that when amendments were offered to the Freedom of Information Act, enlarging public access to affairs of state, Gerald Ford vetoed the bill, only for Congress to override his veto. Ford was no more a supporter of the truth than Mr. Bush’s son. George H. W. Bush’s own word was not always so good either. There are powerful reasons why George H. W. Bush was motivated to invoke the Warren Report, even, amazingly, to refer to a “conspiracy theorist,” as if that designation would at once banish some truths he does not want available. Only two degrees of separation separate George H. W. Bush from Oswald himself.

At his 1976 confirmation hearings for the post of Director of Central Intelligence, a post into which he was elevated by Gerald Ford, Bush denied that he had any prior connection to the CIA. This was a falsehood. At the National Archives, and on the Internet, is a CIA document directed to its clandestine service (Record Number 104-10310-10271) that reveals that when, in the 1950s, Bush founded Zapata Oil, his partner was one Thomas J. Devine, who was not only an oil wildcatter, but a long-time CIA staff employee. Thomas Devine’s name does not appear in the original papers of Zapata, but it does in the company Bush created shortly thereafter as “Zapata Offshore.”

This CIA document reveals that Thomas Devine had informed George Bush of a CIA project with the cryptonym WUBRINY/LPDICTUM. It involved CIA proprietary commercial operations in foreign countries. By 1963, Devine had become not a former CIA employee, but ‘a cleared and witting contact” in the investment banking firm which managed the proprietary corporation WUSALINE. WUBRINY involved Haitian operations, in which, the documents reveal, a participant was George de Mohrenshildt, the Dallas CIA hander of – Lee Oswald......

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=12758&relPageId=2




Same, document in image below, less redacted than image above, following uncovered simply by using search word. NATTILY @maryferrell :

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John Train papers, 1960-2003 Mss 0058
https://web.archive.org/web/20141008041825/http://academic.shu.edu/findingaids/mss0058.html

 Seton Hall University
Biographical Note

 The John Train Papers include personal and professional correspondence, ... in Costa Rica, and a tire-retreading company in Guinea before serving in the Army


It turns out Joseph Dryer claimed he met with George DeM and Haitian banker Clemard Charles in NYC on same
day as CIA doc indicates Tom Devine did, April 25, 1963, just two weeks after the alleged attempt on the life of  Edwin Walker.
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Rochester Journal – Dec 19, 1936
“In leading parts were Charles Boswell, Buddy Kitchen, Hawley Ward, Tom Devine. Julian Fitch, Martin Sher, Mike Mulligan, Peter Dryer,…”

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Something new here, we believe there is a gap to fill.

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At this link, I have documented that in 1978 HSCA counsel asked Priscilla Johnson Macmillan why her book, “Marina and Lee” was delayed at least a dozen years. See http://archive.is/esTuB
One excuse Priscilla offered was that she had experienced a bad period in which her father was a concealed suicide.
The last person reported to see Priscilla’s father Stuart alive and who reported him as missing to Locust Valley, LI police was James A. Thomas, a cousin of Allen Dulles whose sister Eleanor Lansing Thomas was maid of honor in Clover Dulles’s wedding.

…...The original 20 were classmates as long as grades K-9. Peter Dryer departed for Choate and Hawley Ward for St. Paul’s …..
Meanwhile, in Concord, NH, Priscilla and Marina’s future book editor, MS Wyeth, gained a classmate and evidently Buz Wyeth and Hawley Ward became friends!



Misadventures of a Fly Fisherman: My Life with and Without Papa
 Jack Hemingway – 1987
“I made contact with Joe Dryer and his brother, Peter, who was sharing digs with him in an apartment near the Malecon on the edge of old Havana. Their project sounded interesting, but there was no place in it for me..”

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https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84&relPageId=64&search=cogswell_and%20palm
1. HSCA Report, Volume XII, pg 60
Found in: HSCA Appendix Volumes
broker in Palm Beach, Fla., had known George de Mohrenschildt in Haiti. The information came from Jack Cogswell of Palm Beach. According to Cogswell, he ran
with Loeb & Rhodes & Co. in Palm Beach and Dryer offered informa- tion about George de Mohrenschildt.(172) Dryer told Cogswell that when he knew de Mohrenshchildt
left Haiti in 1967. (175) Joseph Dryer



https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=66972&relPageId=2&search=cogswell
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