Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar

[Richard Smith]

Does all that necessarily prove it was THE rifle standing alone?  Perhaps not definitively, but of course there is other evidence to link Oswald to the rifle found in the TSBD including a serial number and print.

How does the rifle's serial number prove that Lee owned the rifle?    And since the authorities lied about finding Lee's palm print  on the carcano, one is compelled to question their need to lie about finding Lee's palm print on the 5/8 inch diameter barrel.

It is a physical impossibility for an adult male to deposit an identifiable palm print on a cylinder ( Carcano barrel) that is only 5/8 of in inch in diameter, when that barrel is partially covered by a bayonet lug.

How does the serial number prove that LHO owned the rifle?  LOL.  You can't be serious.  The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!  If Klein's sent this specific rifle to Oswald's PO Box, then that is compelling evidence that this is the rifle owned by LHO.  It is the same rifle later found in Oswald's place of the employment.  His print was found on the rifle.  Sensing any theme? It's a slam dunk.   If you simply dismiss the evidence as the products of "lies", then, of course, nothing could ever be proven.   That is just going round in circles. 

The better CTer line of argument is to concede the evidence (i.e. Oswald owned this particular rifle and carried it in the bag to the TSBD) and focus on his whacky background.  There is no evidence to link him to any conspiracy but is much more difficult to rebut claims that perhaps Oswald was some low-level intelligence asset who got recruited into the plot and then hung out to dry.  But the pedantic nitpicking of a mountain of evidence against is laughable.   When Marina says, for example, that she saw "a rifle" and contrarians desperately spin that to try to find a way to claim she saw something made of wood, it destroys any credibility.  That is tin foil hat territory. 

[Richard Smith]

Own, LOL, but okay...

Not really, as she didn't have a clue about weapons (or cameras) AND nobody else reports seeing the contents of the blanket which means that she can't confirm an otherwise unsupported claim.

"conflating", LOL, stop using words you don't understand the meaning of.

See above.

"corroborated ", LOL, don't use words when you're clueless as to their meaning.

False, no photos document a blanket and its contents in the garage.

False, no prints document a blanket and its contents in the garage.

"third-party", LOL.

Prove they do, then get back to us.

See above, you're not quite there yet -- ROFL

Oh boy, on your face again, as the police search didn't corroborate anything about the contents of the blanket prior to their arrival.

There's nothing to account for unless you can prove the TSBD rifle was ever in that blanket.

No, "we" don't know that.

False, see above.

Irrelevant, see above.

No, it wasn't corroborated as explained above.

No verified evidence of that claim.

Based on "gouge science", LOL. BTW, there isn't a shred on evidence that Marina took any photos.
 
So now you don't trust Oswald's wife when reporting Oswald's rifle had NO scope -- ROFL

You mean the one without the scope?

Already dealt with.

Um, WTF is that supposed to mean?

Like....?

I just left you with a bag of zero facts and circumstances which add up to a nice, round ZERO.

So many words for so little purpose.  Imagine the effort behind breaking down every comment?  In Otto land, the fact that Marina couldn't specifically recollect the scope on the rifle has significance.  Keep in mind Otto also suggests that Marina is the same person involved in the plot to frame Oswald and "lying" for that purpose.  But instead of just saying the rifle had a scope per his fantasy that she is complicit in the plot, she does her best to recall.  In desperation Otto clings to this real or imagined ambiguity in her testimony (again from the same person who he believes is lying to frame Oswald).  When it is pointed out that Marina took a picture of Oswald holding this very rifle that she was asked to describe, and those photos clearly show it had a scope, rendering any debate about the subject moot, it has no effect.  Otto's narrative is impervious to facts and evidence that stand in contradiction.   Otto has some insecurity issue with "big" words but maybe he can look those up.  Marina tells us that Oswald owned a rifle.  She couldn't specifically remember the scope but took photos of that rifle in which the scope can be seen.  So there is no relevance to her inability to recall the scope because we can confirm from the pictures that it was there.

[John Iacoletti]

The usual false BS from “Richard”.

There’s no evidence of anything being sent through the mail to a PO Box. Hidell was not a “known alias of Oswald”. His print was actually found on an index card a week later. There’s no evidence he carried it in “the bag”, or any bag. You cannot demonstrate that it is “this very rifle” in any photo.

[Walt Cakebread]

How does the serial number prove that LHO owned the rifle?  LOL.  You can't be serious.  The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!  If Klein's sent this specific rifle to Oswald's PO Box, then that is compelling evidence that this is the rifle owned by LHO.  It is the same rifle later found in Oswald's place of the employment.  His print was found on the rifle.  Sensing any theme? It's a slam dunk.   If you simply dismiss the evidence as the products of "lies", then, of course, nothing could ever be proven.   That is just going round in circles. 

The better CTer line of argument is to concede the evidence (i.e. Oswald owned this particular rifle and carried it in the bag to the TSBD) and focus on his whacky background.  There is no evidence to link him to any conspiracy but is much more difficult to rebut claims that perhaps Oswald was some low-level intelligence asset who got recruited into the plot and then hung out to dry.  But the pedantic nitpicking of a mountain of evidence against is laughable.   When Marina says, for example, that she saw "a rifle" and contrarians desperately spin that to try to find a way to claim she saw something made of wood, it destroys any credibility.  That is tin foil hat territory.

How does the serial number prove that LHO owned the rifle?  LOL.  You can't be serious.  The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!  If Klein's sent this specific rifle to Oswald's PO Box, then that is compelling evidence that this is the rifle owned by LHO.


That's good enough if you're a simpleton who doesn't question any of that superficial evidence....

"The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!"

You are serious....   So your point is:  This proves that Lee Oswald was the person who did not use the name Oswald ( and was not authorized to receive mail at that PO  box )  actually received that carcano .....And therefore he OWNED IT.... 

Don't you see how flimsy and weak your argument is?

We know that George De M was a close friend of Lee Oswald and George was wealthy while Lee was a pauper and had very little money to spend frivolously......   George would have had access to Lee's PO box, and could easily have received the rifle....He may have had to show verification that he was "Hidell"....... 

[Richard Smith]

How does the serial number prove that LHO owned the rifle?  LOL.  You can't be serious.  The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!  If Klein's sent this specific rifle to Oswald's PO Box, then that is compelling evidence that this is the rifle owned by LHO.


That's good enough if you're a simpleton who doesn't question any of that superficial evidence....

"The documentation from Klein's (which pre-dates the assassination) confirms that a MC rifle with that specific serial number was sent to a person using a known alias of Oswald at his PO box!"

You are serious....   So your point is:  This proves that Lee Oswald was the person who did not use the name Oswald ( and was not authorized to receive mail at that PO  box )  actually received that carcano .....And therefore he OWNED IT.... 

Don't you see how flimsy and weak your argument is?

We know that George De M was a close friend of Lee Oswald and George was wealthy while Lee was a pauper and had very little money to spend frivolously......   George would have had access to Lee's PO box, and could easily have received the rifle....He may have had to show verification that he was "Hidell".......

So hostile.  What is it with CTers constantly using personal insults when confronted with facts and logic?  Very amusing.  The Klein's documents confirm that a MC rifle with a specific serial number was sent to someone using a known alias of LHO at his PO box.  That rifle was not returned to Klein's because it couldn't be delivered to Oswald as you suggest.  Do you think it is still sitting at the Dallas post office?  HA HA HA.  If not, then it must have been delivered to Oswald.  That is confirmed by the photos taken of him holding it.  It's unreal that anyone would struggle so mightily against reality.

[Michael Walton]

Yes, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the funniest thing of all is there's no record of Lee ever having bought the ammunition for this gun. You can't shoot the alleged murder weapon without the bullets. And wasn't there a dent in one of the shell's lip found in the building? I mean, you'd think there was a defect with the gun and it would have made all three with a dent upon ejection, right?

[Richard Smith]

So you believe that a photo of Lee holding a carcano is proof that it's his rifle??   Do you have any documentation that proves that Lee Oswald was the "Hidell" who received the carcano at the Dallas PO?   How about a signed receipt ?    Surely the US PO would not have released  a parcel ( that was obviously a gun) without verification of the persons ID and a signed receipt.

A picture of Oswald holding the rifle outside his own apartment is pretty good evidence of his ownership of the rifle.  Particularly given the circumstances.  The rifle in the picture was one that he kept in his apartment in Neely St.  The picture was taken just outside that apartment.  He was not on safari or at some place where it might be possible that he was using someone else's rifle but at his residence.  Whose rifle do you think he might be holding outside his own apartment?  No one else was even present except Marina.  There is zippo evidence that anyone else gave him a rifle to hold in that picture.  How would a "signed receipt" - whatever that is supposed to mean in the context of a mail order rifle - change your view since you believe the Klein's documentation is forged etc?  Oswald had ID in the Hidell name.  How do you know that he didn't present that?  He would have had the card from his PO Box informing him of the package.  Most likely presenting that to the clerk would suffice.  Only someone with access to his PO Box could obtain the package notification card.  This was 1963.