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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #203 on: June 21, 2022, 01:15:21 AM »
Regardless, that is not even relevant in this context because Ruth Paine told Marina that the shots were fired from the building in which Oswald worked.

Ruth didn’t know what building Lee worked in.

Mr. JENNER - For the purpose of this record then I would like to emphasize you were under the impression then, were you, that Lee Harvey Oswald was employed?
Mrs. PAINE - At the warehouse.
Mr. JENNER - Other than at 411, a place at 411 Elm?
Mrs. PAINE - I thought he worked at the warehouse. I had in fact, pointed out the building to my children going into Dallas later after he had gained employment.

Offline Paul J Cummings

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #204 on: June 21, 2022, 03:39:52 AM »
Yeah Lee worked the question how much while at the TSBD.

Ruth didn’t know what building Lee worked in.

Mr. JENNER - For the purpose of this record then I would like to emphasize you were under the impression then, were you, that Lee Harvey Oswald was employed?
Mrs. PAINE - At the warehouse.
Mr. JENNER - Other than at 411, a place at 411 Elm?
Mrs. PAINE - I thought he worked at the warehouse. I had in fact, pointed out the building to my children going into Dallas later after he had gained employment.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #205 on: June 21, 2022, 04:49:40 AM »
  Marina is the person who asked Ruth Paine to call the TSBD about the job opportunity after they learned of it.  Regardless, that is not even relevant in this context because Ruth Paine told Marina that the shots were fired from the building in which Oswald worked.  That is the reason Marina went to check the blanket.  Because she was told by Paine that the shots came from Oswald's building. 
So what?
Marina may have known that Lee worked for this book company but doubtful that she knew where it was.
All that information mentioned above was relayed post assassination.
You can believe the tale about Walker if you want.
The task at hand was to certify Oswald as a homicidal maniac.
Marina told them whatever she thought they wanted to hear. 

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #206 on: June 21, 2022, 03:44:05 PM »
she (Ruth Paine) only said that "By the way, they fired from the building in which Lee is working."

If Marina is quoting Ruth Paine accurately.....Ruth's remark is a classic case of the subtle suggestion that is intended as a slap of awareness for the listener.   

Example:  "Yes, it is a beautiful morning, Admiral....  Oh, by the way, did you know that the Japanese are bombing the ships in Pearl Harbor."

IOW... Ruth knew about Lee having possession of a rifle and knew that her remark would grab Marina's attention.

What a tortured explanation of a simple point.  Ruth heard on the news that shots were fired from the building in which Oswald worked.  She very understandably mentioned that to Marina.  It would be a point of interest if someone's husband worked in the building from which the president had just been assassinated.   No sinister purpose required.  And what would be the point of making a "subtle suggestion that is intended as a slap of awareness" in this context?  Do you think Marina would never have learned of this had Paine not mentioned it?  Good grief.  Again, though, your baseless claim that Marina didn't know where her own husband worked is both wrong and not relevant since she was told by Paine that the shots had come from Oswald's building.  I did not "make up" the point that Marina checked the blanket after learning that the shots had been fired from Oswald's place of work.  That comes directly from Marina's own testimony. 
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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #207 on: June 21, 2022, 03:50:27 PM »
So what?
Marina may have known that Lee worked for this book company but doubtful that she knew where it was.
All that information mentioned above was relayed post assassination.
You can believe the tale about Walker if you want.
The task at hand was to certify Oswald as a homicidal maniac.
Marina told them whatever she thought they wanted to hear.

What a weak deflection.  Even if she had no clue where the building was in Dallas why would that matter when the media was reporting that the shots came from the TSBD?  Where her husband worked.  After learning this, Marina then checks the blanket for a rifle.  The only explanation for that action is that 1) she knew her husband possessed a rifle and kept it in that blanket; and 2) that her husband was a nut capable of such a thing because of his past history attempting to kill Walker.  This occurs right after the assassination before Marina has even been approached by the authorities or could have been subject to any coercion on the topic.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #208 on: June 21, 2022, 04:24:58 PM »
What a tortured explanation of a simple point.  Ruth heard on the news that shots were fired from the building in which Oswald worked.  She very understandably mentioned that to Marina.

And again, Ruth said she didn’t know he worked in that building. What the hell is wrong with you?

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #209 on: June 21, 2022, 05:48:59 PM »
Such a weak and dishonest attempt at deflection.  Here is what the testimony of Ruth and Marina tells us:

1) Ruth Paine knew LHO worked at the something called the "Texas School Book Depository" because she had assisted in getting him that job.
2) Ruth learned from the early TV reports that the shots came from the TSBD.
3) Ruth told Marina that the shots came from the building in which her husband worked (whether or not there could have been confirmation at that point as to which of the TSBD buildings Oswald worked in downtown).
4) Upon being told this information, Marina checked the blanket in the Paine's garage because she knew that is where Oswald kept his rifle and there was cause for her to be concerned from his nutty attempt to kill Walker.
 
Marina's actions upon being told (again rightly or wrongly based upon the information known to Ruth Paine at that moment) that the shots had been fired from the building in which her husband worked can't be explained in any other way.  Marina responded to that information by checking the garage for the blanket because she knew that is where her nutty husband kept his rifle and she was relieved to find the blanket still there for that reason.