Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar

[Martin Weidmann]

Was Marina in "self preservation" mode when the police first arrived just hours after the assassination when she was asked about the rifle and directed them to the blanket?  She was not aware of any wrong doing by her husband at that point and could not yet have been subject to any from of coercion.  That is laughable and embarrassing to suggest to explain her confirmation of the rifle.  And now your story is that Marina's testimony is that she believed the rifle in the blanket was the same one from Russia?  Previously you seemed to be suggesting her testimony was ambiguous on the issue of whether she saw any rifle or merely some object made of wood.   But now you are agreeing that she saw a rifle?  I've never argued that Marina's testimony alone confirms that it was THE rifle but merely that there is no doubt whatsoever that her testimony confirms that Oswald owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in the Paine's garage.  That is important when combined with the fact that third party documents link Oswald to a rifle with a specific serial number.  The same rifle found in the TSBD.   Marina tells us 1) Oswald possessed a rifle in the relevant timeframe; 2) he kept it in the Paine's garage; and 3) it was gone and can't be accounted for in other way after 11.22 except as the rifle found in the TSBD.  She even photographed Oswald holding the rifle and his prints were found on it.  It was left at his place of work and he lied about owning any rifle and never explained how it came to be there.  A slam dunk of guilt unless numerous people are lying including his own wife, multiple law enforcement agencies, and Klein's.  Much of this evidence predated the assassination by months.

Was Marina in "self preservation" mode when the police first arrived just hours after the assassination when she was asked about the rifle and directed them to the blanket?  She was not aware of any wrong doing by her husband at that point and could not yet have been subject to any from of coercion.

And yet, she went to check if the rifle was still there. Go figure.

When the police arrived, she was under the impression that the rifle was still in the blanket. Except it wasn't.
What do you think went through her head when she learned there was no rifle in the blanket?

That is laughable and embarrassing to suggest to explain her confirmation of the rifle.

What confirmation of the rifle?

And now your story is that Marina's testimony is that she believed the rifle in the blanket was the same one from Russia?

No, my story is that when it comes to Marina it's near impossible to believe anything she said. Which is why she is such an unreliable witness. What you want to do is just cherry pick the parts of her testimony you can use and disregard the rest.

Previously you seemed to be suggesting her testimony was ambiguous on the issue of whether she saw any rifle or merely some object made of wood.   But now you are agreeing that she saw a rifle?

No, stop putting words in my mouth. She may or may not have seen a rifle. You are the one who constantly insists that she did see a rifle. I am saying that Rankin asked her a leading question.

I've never argued that Marina's testimony alone confirms that it was THE rifle but merely that there is no doubt whatsoever that her testimony confirms that Oswald owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in the Paine's garage.

Nope.. her testimony does not confirm that Oswald kept a rifle in the blanket in Ruth Paine's garage. It just confirms that Marina thought he did. But none of that matters much when you can not prove that it was the MC rifle CE2799 and you've just admitted that Marina does not confirm it was.

That is important when combined with the fact that third party documents link Oswald to a rifle with a specific serial number.  The same rifle found in the TSBD.

Flawed conjecture based on a misrepresentation of the evidence.

Marina tells us 1) Oswald possessed a rifle in the relevant timeframe; 2) he kept it in the Paine's garage; and 3) it was gone and can't be accounted for in other way after 11.22 except as the rifle found in the TSBD.  She even photographed Oswald holding the rifle and his prints were found on it.  It was left at his place of work and he lied about owning any rifle and never explained how it came to be there.  A slam dunk of guilt unless numerous people are lying including his own wife, multiple law enforcement agencies, and Klein's.

So misleading and so much misrepresentation of the facts to unpack here that I am not going to waste my time on it again. Been there done that....

[Martin Weidmann]

She would have cause for concern because she knew Oswald's history with Walker and that he worked in the building from which the shots were fired.  But again, whether she thought he was the possible assassin or not isn't the point  Why check the blanket at all unless she knew that is where he kept the rifle?  You are just confirming that point over and over by noting her actions at that early stage before even approached by the police or authorities.

whether she thought he was the possible assassin or not isn't the point

Of course it is the point!

First you claim she was not (yet) aware of any wrong doing by her husband and now you've got here having cause of concern.

Which one is it?

Why check the blanket at all unless she knew that is where he kept the rifle?

Wrong again. She may have thought Oswald kept a rifle in that blanket, but she most certainly didn't know.

She never discussed the rifle with Oswald, after she looked in the blanket in late September, she never told him to take it out of the garage and said nothing to Ruth Paine. All of it is indicative of the possibility that she believed the rifle could belong to somebody else (like for instance Michael Paine) and not Oswald.

[John Iacoletti]

“Richard” vomits his list of BS claims again. How original.

[Jerry Freeman]

She would have cause for concern because she knew Oswald's history with Walker and that he worked in the building from which the shots were fired. 

You just made that up. Most unlikely she had the foggiest clue where he worked.

[Richard Smith]

Oswald was long dead when Marina testified.

You launched the demented idea that she should be trusted because they were married at the time of the alleged sighting.

I see Martin already took care of your massive lack-of-wrong-doing meltdown.

Again, Marina checked the blanket BEFORE the police arrived.  She did so because she had cause for concern at that point based on Oswald's history.  In addition, when the police arrived just hours after the assassination, and asked if her husband owned a rifle, she directed them to the blanket.  LHO was alive and well at that point.  Your bizarre comparison to Johnny Depp and his ex-wife who were long divorced and suing each other in an adversarial conflict standd as the single worst analogy in Internet history.  It does, however, provide a great source of amusement.

[Richard Smith]

You just made that up. Most unlikely she had the foggiest clue where he worked.

Maybe try to check the facts before embarrassing yourself.  Marina didn't know where her husband worked?  Marina is the person who asked Ruth Paine to call the TSBD about the job opportunity after they learned of it.  Regardless, that is not even relevant in this context because Ruth Paine told Marina that the shots were fired from the building in which Oswald worked.  That is the reason Marina went to check the blanket.  Because she was told by Paine that the shots came from Oswald's building.

Mr. JENNEB. You reached home and Marina suggested that “Would you please
call the Texas School Depository?”
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. RANKIN. Did Mrs. Paine say anything about the possibility of your husband being involved?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, but she only said that "By the way, they fired from the building in which Lee is working."
My heart dropped. I then went to the garage to see whether the rifle was there, and I saw that the blanket was still there, and I said, "Thank God." I thought, "Can there really be such a stupid man in the world that could do something like that?" But I was already rather upset at that time--I don't know why. Perhaps my intuition. I didn't know what I was doing.

[Walt Cakebread]

Maybe try to check the facts before embarrassing yourself.  Marina didn't know where her husband worked?  Marina is the person who asked Ruth Paine to call the TSBD about the job opportunity after they learned of it.  Regardless, that is not even relevant in this context because Ruth Paine told Marina that the shots were fired from the building in which Oswald worked.  That is the reason Marina went to check the blanket.  Because she was told by Paine that the shots came from Oswald's building.

Mr. JENNEB. You reached home and Marina suggested that “Would you please
call the Texas School Depository?”
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. RANKIN. Did Mrs. Paine say anything about the possibility of your husband being involved?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, but she only said that "By the way, they fired from the building in which Lee is working."
My heart dropped. I then went to the garage to see whether the rifle was there, and I saw that the blanket was still there, and I said, "Thank God." I thought, "Can there really be such a stupid man in the world that could do something like that?" But I was already rather upset at that time--I don't know why. Perhaps my intuition. I didn't know what I was doing.

 she (Ruth Paine) only said that "By the way, they fired from the building in which Lee is working."

If Marina is quoting Ruth Paine accurately.....Ruth's remark is a classic case of the subtle suggestion that is intended as a slap of awareness for the listener.   

Example:  "Yes, it is a beautiful morning, Admiral....  Oh, by the way, did you know that the Japanese are bombing the ships in Pearl Harbor."

IOW... Ruth knew about Lee having possession of a rifle and knew that her remark would grab Marina's attention.