Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar

[Martin Weidmann]

If there was any doubt (and there is not), Marina goes on to say:  "I was interested in finding out what was in that blanket, and I saw that it was a rifle."  A rifle!  It's laughable that anyone suggests that there is any doubt that Marina saw a "rifle" in the blanket.  She is asked dozens of times about a "rifle".  Never once does she cast any doubt on the fact that saw a rifle and that is object that she is referring to in her testimony.  Contrarians latch onto one instance where she refers to the rifle as "it" and describes seeing a "wooden stock" to suggest that there is doubt when she confirms multiple times that Oswald owned a rifle and kept it in the Paine's garage.  A classic example of how the contrarian mind latches on to any straw and disregards the totality of evidence and circumstances.

Talk about desperation. Relying on Marina to do what? Prove there was a rifle wrapped in a blanket in late September 1963? Wow.

But don't stop there. What "totality of evidence" are you rambling on about? Take the next step and prove it was Oswald's rifle, it was CE2799 and it was still in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63.

[Richard Smith]

Talk about desperation. Relying on Marina to do what? Prove there was a rifle wrapped in a blanket in late September 1963? Wow.

But don't stop there. What "totality of evidence" are you rambling on about? Take the next step and prove it was Oswald's rifle, it was CE2799 and it was still in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63.

It's "desperation" to rely on Oswald's own wife!  The best person in the entire world other than LHO to actually know the contents of the blanket.  Riddle us this contrarian.  Why did Marina direct the police to that blanket just hours after the crime when they asked her if her husband owned a rifle?  Why did she repeatedly confirm to the WC (under oath) that her husband owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in Paine's garage?  Remember you are not a CTer - right?  So why does she do these things?  Let me guess,  You don't know or care.  You know all the evidence that links Oswald to a specific rifle.  I'm not going to exercise your compulsion to go over that again and again and again.  It was all set out nearly six decades ago by the WC.

[Martin Weidmann]

It's "desperation" to rely on Oswald's own wife!  The best person in the entire world other than LHO to actually know the contents of the blanket.  Riddle us this contrarian.  Why did Marina direct the police to that blanket just hours after the crime when they asked her if her husband owned a rifle?  Why did she repeatedly confirm to the WC (under oath) that her husband owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in Paine's garage?  Remember you are not a CTer - right?  So why does she do these things?  Let me guess,  You don't know or care.  You know all the evidence that links Oswald to a specific rifle.  I'm not going to exercise your compulsion to go over that again and again and again.  It was all set out nearly six decades ago by the WC.

Once again you are jumping to conclusions not supported by the evidence.

The best person in the entire world other than LHO to actually know the contents of the blanket.  Riddle us this contrarian.  Why did Marina direct the police to that blanket just hours after the crime when they asked her if her husband owned a rifle?

Marina herself answered that. She knew Oswald had a rifle in Russia and she believed this was that rifle.

Why did she repeatedly confirm to the WC (under oath) that her husband owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in Paine's garage?

I don't know what motivates people to do something or not. What motivates your hero, Trump, to keep telling the big lie?

What I do know is that it is highly likely Marina must have been in self preservation mode. Prior to her testimony, she was held in "protective custody", she was interviewed by law enforcement officers a great many times, she admitted to lying to them. When they flew in an immigration officer from New York who told her she could stay in the country, if she cooperated, she must likely have seen a way out. Her husband was dead and already convicted in the media and by the time of her testimony she probably believed he actually did it. She has, of course, changed her mind since then.

You know all the evidence that links Oswald to a specific rifle.

Indeed and it is highly questionable.

I'm not going to exercise your compulsion to go over that again and again and again.

That was never my compulsion, but for you it most certainly is a first. Well done, it can not have been easy to break with that idiotic routine of yours. 

But, still not a shred of proof that the rifle Marina saw (I'll humor you!) was in fact CE2799, that it actually belonged to Oswald or that it was still there on 11/21/63 for Oswald to collect. Got it.

[Richard Smith]

Amber Heard was Johnny Depp's wife.

And the jury didn't give a flying f×ck.

 

This is perhaps the dumbest analogy in the history of the JFK assassination forum. Or perhaps even the entire Internet.  Heard was being sued by Depp.  They were long divorced.  It was an adversarial lawsuit for millions of dollars between two people who detested each other.  Can you see any differences?  LOL.  Marina directed the police to the blanket when asked about the rifle just hours after the assassination while still believing her husband innocent of any wrong doing. 

[Martin Weidmann]

This is perhaps the dumbest analogy in the history of the JFK assassination forum. Or perhaps even the entire Internet.  Heard was being sued by Depp.  They were long divorced.  It was an adversarial lawsuit for millions of dollars between two people who detested each other.  Can you see any differences?  LOL.  Marina directed the police to the blanket when asked about the rifle just hours after the assassination while still believing her husband innocent of any wrong doing.

while still believing her husband innocent of any wrong doing.

BS. What made her check if the rifle was still there if she believed her husband innocent of any wrong doing?

[Richard Smith]

Once again you are jumping to conclusions not supported by the evidence.

The best person in the entire world other than LHO to actually know the contents of the blanket.  Riddle us this contrarian.  Why did Marina direct the police to that blanket just hours after the crime when they asked her if her husband owned a rifle?

Marina herself answered that. She knew Oswald had a rifle in Russia and she believed this was that rifle.

Why did she repeatedly confirm to the WC (under oath) that her husband owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in Paine's garage?

I don't know what motivates people to do something or not. What motivates your hero, Trump, to keep telling the big lie?

What I do know is that it is highly likely Marina must have been in self preservation mode. Prior to her testimony, she was held in "protective custody", she was interviewed by law enforcement officers a great many times, she admitted to lying to them. When they flew in an immigration officer from New York who told her she could stay in the country, if she cooperated, she must likely have seen a way out. Her husband was dead and already convicted in the media and by the time of her testimony she probably believed he actually did it. She has, of course, changed her mind since then.

Was Marina in "self preservation" mode when the police first arrived just hours after the assassination when she was asked about the rifle and directed them to the blanket?  She was not aware of any wrong doing by her husband at that point and could not yet have been subject to any from of coercion.  That is laughable and embarrassing to suggest to explain her confirmation of the rifle.  And now your story is that Marina's testimony is that she believed the rifle in the blanket was the same one from Russia?  Previously you seemed to be suggesting her testimony was ambiguous on the issue of whether she saw any rifle or merely some object made of wood.   But now you are agreeing that she saw a rifle?  I've never argued that Marina's testimony alone confirms that it was THE rifle but merely that there is no doubt whatsoever that her testimony confirms that Oswald owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in the Paine's garage.  That is important when combined with the fact that third party documents link Oswald to a rifle with a specific serial number.  The same rifle found in the TSBD.   Marina tells us 1) Oswald possessed a rifle in the relevant timeframe; 2) he kept it in the Paine's garage; and 3) it was gone and can't be accounted for in other way after 11.22 except as the rifle found in the TSBD.  She even photographed Oswald holding the rifle and his prints were found on it.  It was left at his place of work and he lied about owning any rifle and never explained how it came to be there.  A slam dunk of guilt unless numerous people are lying including his own wife, multiple law enforcement agencies, and Klein's.  Much of this evidence predated the assassination by months. 

[Richard Smith]

while still believing her husband innocent of any wrong doing.

BS. What made her check if the rifle was still there if she believed her husband innocent of any wrong doing?

She would have cause for concern because she knew Oswald's history with Walker and that he worked in the building from which the shots were fired.  But again, whether she thought he was the possible assassin or not isn't the point  Why check the blanket at all unless she knew that is where he kept the rifle?  You are just confirming that point over and over by noting her actions at that early stage before even approached by the police or authorities.