Conspiracy of the Three Stooges

[Colin Crow]

That's reasonable. Young black dudes in Texas in 63 would be prepared to say whatever it took to avoid a beating or worse.

Tend to agree......question is how far would you go? If you were BRW as opposed to JJ and HN.

[Colin Crow]

True, but couldn't they have made - or been forced to make - far more incriminating comments about Oswald then they did? Such as they saw him carry a large package into the building? Expressed hatred of JFK? Et cetera.

Williams said he ate his "chicken on the bone" sandwich right next to the sniper's nest on the sixth floor. Why not force him to say he saw Oswald hanging around the nest?

Lots of examples one can think of where they could have implicated Oswald more directly.

Agree.....I believe that this rules out the massive conspiracy theory. How easy to get Williams to say he saw Oswald on the 6th floor......but Oswald is dead by Sunday......is he required to change his statement after that event diminished? However I do believe Givens was pressured to change and place Oswald on the 6th floor after noon.

Also given the fact that Williams was being questioned at the time Oswald was brought in.....I tend to think he did not see him on the 6th floor before he left to join HN and JJ. Does anyone believe that BRW would protect Oswald in his initial statement?

[Colin Crow]

Well done Colin. You put forward an idea which seems to have teased out some agreement between opposing sides here. That certainly deserves congratulations.
 

Thankyou Steve.....appreciated.

[John Mytton]

Do I detect a subtle change from initial dismissal of the idea the 3 decided to protect BRW? Now it becomes plausible.....not just confusion of faulty memory.

C'mon Colin we have debated this before, correct me if I'm wrong but where this is going is that you believe that Williams actually saw the killer and that's why they all lied, and as I remember I agreed with you and said that Williams must have seen Oswald and then you disagreed that it was Oswald, am I right?

JohnM

[Zeon Mason]

If it was  just Norman and Jarman returning  to the 5th floor without BR Williams having been with them, then why do Norman and Jarman leave a window space between them, which eventually was the window BR Williams is at, next to Norman, when the Dillard photo is taken about 15 sec posts shots?


 

[Colin Crow]

C'mon Colin we have debated this before, correct me if I'm wrong but where this is going is that you believe that Williams actually saw the killer and that's why they all lied, and as I remember I agreed with you and said that Williams must have seen Oswald and then you disagreed that it was Oswald, am I right?

JohnM

So your initial post in the thread was disingenuous. Only you know why you would do that. I do remember you doing something to that effect. That was on the old forum before the crash and no longer available. I am merely presenting evidence and attempting to see where it might lead. You believe the likely scenario is that Williams left after seeing Oswald. If you believe Williams saw Oswald do you really think he would lie to protect him at the time he was already in custody?

[Howard Gee]

I see that Trolletti is up to his usual trolling antics.

Let's get back to the point of Colin's thread -- the three stooges conspiring to lie to cover up BRW being on the 6th floor before the shots were fired.

I think it would be accurate to say that the stooge conspiracy to lie about BRW's whereabouts would have had to be hatched on the 5th floor within minutes of the shots being fired.

What other time, when else could it have occurred ?

When were the stooges together again between the time the shots were fired and their initial statements were given ?

As I mentioned earlier, it seems the Stooges were not close friends. BRW was only employed at the TSBD for about a month. One of the Stooges didn't even know the first name of one of his supposed Stooge accomplices.

Sorry, I'm just not buying that within minutes of the shots being fired the stooges were conspiring to lie about BRW being on the 5th floor the entire time.

The two stooges that were actually on the 5th floor before 12:25 PM would be endangering themselves by lying/vouching for a BRW they barely knew in a conspiracy that had to be hatched within moments of the shots ringing out.

The Stooge conspiracy isn't impossible but seems unlikely to me.

And as I mentioned earlier the Stooge conspiracy doesn't provide an iota of exculpatory evidence for Saint Patsy, nor does it provide any evidence of a conspiracy to assassinate JFK.

The STC (Stooge Conspiracy Theory) is an interesting exercise in conjecture but ultimately leads nowhere.

Although somehow I get the feeling the Saint Patsy defense team will eventually be claiming that BRW saw Jack Dougherty preparing to shoot JFK.

Carry on.