Conspiracy of the Three Stooges

[Colin Crow]

Colin....The point is:....  Those three stooges would have said whatever the FBI wanted them to say.   So simply because they are on record as having said something does NOT mean it is the factual truth.    If the FBI had wanted them to say that they were doing headstands on the fifth floor at the time of the shooting ....The FBI would have fed them that idea and they would have agreed....

Walt, some of the statements were DPD, some were SS, some were FBI and some were WC. I do agree that issues were caused because the various authorities had "communication" issues. The question is, do you think Williams was on the 6th floor immediately before the shots? If so, he and Norman and Jarman all lied at various times about that. Also consider if you are correct then we are wasting our time debating anything as how do we know any facts have not been altered? The facts I have presented are corroborated from documented evidence. If you are right they would have fed the story that Williams saw Oswald as the shooter and he would have agreed.....right? Does that story sound familiar.......Waldo!

But I digress. I find this supposed forum perplexing. They are many here who voice opinion on almost any topic.....often presenting minimal evidence. I have assembled as much as I can find here....offer a theory....some start to engage and no nothing more. Is fear of where this unknown might lead preventing those who post here from responding?

We have already had LN proponents agreeing that Williams was in the SN until about 12.25. That Rowland was correct. One even concludes that it is likely that Williams saw Oswald. Seems fear of the unknown is greater that sticking to belief.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, some of the statements were DPD, some were SS, some were FBI and some were WC. I do agree that issues were caused because the various authorities had "communication" issues. The question is, do you think Williams was on the 6th floor immediately before the shots? If so, he and Norman and Jarman all lied at various times about that. Also consider if you are correct then we are wasting our time debating anything as how do we know any facts have not been altered? The facts I have presented are corroborated from documented evidence. If you are right they would have fed the story that Williams saw Oswald as the shooter and he would have agreed.....right? Does that story sound familiar.......Waldo!

But I digress. I find this supposed forum perplexing. They are many here who voice opinion on almost any topic.....often presenting minimal evidence. I have assembled as much as I can find here....offer a theory....some start to engage and no nothing more. Is fear of where this unknown might lead preventing those who post here from responding?

We have already had LN proponents agreeing that Williams was in the SN until about 12.25. That Rowland was correct. One even concludes that it is likely that Williams saw Oswald. Seems fear of the unknown is greater that sticking to belief.

We have already had LN proponents agreeing that Williams was in the SN until about 12.25. That Rowland was correct. One even concludes that it is likely that Williams saw Oswald. Seems fear of the unknown is greater that sticking to belief.

It's still only the acceptance of someones belief.....   So what if a few LNers are able to extract their heads??   The fact is....The schools are still teaching our young people that Lee Harrrrrvey Ossssswald was an arch villain and he murdered our President for no reason at all.

One even concludes that it is likely that Williams saw Oswald. 

I assume that you are saying that Bonnie Ray Williams saw Lee Oswald on the sixth floor shortly before the shooting.....

IMO (based on the evidence) BSing Bonnie could NOT have seen Lee there on the sixth floor after 12:10.....Because Lee was NOT there ....  He was on the first floor at 12:27 when he saw Jarman and Norman walk across the first floor shipping room and climb board the west elevator......

[Colin Crow]

I do regularly make note of those members who view this thread. Interesting to see who view and do not offer any opinion. Also interesting those that did originally and now not so keen in progressing the journey.

[Colin Crow]

He is just one simple example of the communication issues.

Williams prepared an affidavit on 11/22 by 3.30pm for the DPD. In that he told of going up for lunch onto the 5th floor with Norman and Jarman.

The next day the FBI interviewed him  and already he had to vary slightly and mention the trip. No doubt because he knew his lunch was found in the SN and it would be eventually associated with him.

However the FBI may not have seen the DPD affidavit at that stage.

Jarman is also interviewed the same day by the FBI and his statement is a considered one. It infers that Williams was with them and mentions nothing about the trip upstairs. The focus at this stage with the workers is purely on their recollections of appearances the accused assassin that morning. Who knows when these two FBI statements were compared and by whom? But at least on the Saturday Jarman's statement does not hang Williams out to dry or put himself on the 5th floor.

[Howard Gee]

He is just one simple example of the communication issues.

Williams prepared an affidavit on 11/22 by 3.30pm for the DPD. In that he told of going up for lunch onto the 5th floor with Norman and Jarman.

The next day the FBI interviewed him  and already he had to vary slightly and mention the trip. No doubt because he knew his lunch was found in the SN and it would be eventually associated with him.

However the FBI may not have seen the DPD affidavit at that stage.

Jarman is also interviewed the same day by the FBI and his statement is a considered one. It infers that Williams was with them and mentions nothing about the trip upstairs. The focus at this stage with the workers is purely on their recollections of appearances the accused assassin that morning. Who knows when these two FBI statements were compared and by whom? But at least on the Saturday Jarman's statement does not hang Williams out to dry or put himself on the 5th floor.

You're doing a good job of eliminating the supposed Stooge conspiracy now.

Larry and Curly were focused on Saint Patsy's whereabouts the morning of 11/22 and not focused on whether Moe was with them when they went to the 5th floor.

If there ever was a Stooge conspiracy, it didn't last long, as Moe comes clean about being on the 6th floor the very next day !

I have no idea what the last sentence of your previous post means. Who does 'himself' refer to ?

[Colin Crow]

You're doing a good job of eliminating the supposed Stooge conspiracy now.

Larry and Curly were focused on Saint Patsy's whereabouts the morning of 11/22 and not focused on whether Moe was with them when they went to the 5th floor.

If there ever was a Stooge conspiracy, it didn't last long, as Moe comes clean about being on the 6th floor the very next day !

I have no idea what the last sentence of your previous post means. Who does 'himself' refer to ?

The "himself" means that Jarman was distancing himself from the 5th floor. The focus on Oswald was not by the three but at the questioning of the authorities.

Your continued use of the stooges character names, although you once obviously felt amusing and likely an ongoing attempt to disparage my efforts, is becoming rather tedious and makes serious response more difficult.

You obviously don?t seem to appreciate this is entirely my point. There had to be some initial discussion on the Friday for the three to not include the lunch trip by Williams to the 6th floor. The proof of this lies in the initial DPD statement by Williams that says they all went up together. He knows they we identified by Brennan as being on the 5th floor. He also knows the significance of the 6th floor. That is where the shots have come from and he was called to the station because he had been working there that morning. He has no idea when Jarman and Norman will be interviewed. This is the Friday.

By Saturday he realises he will be placed there because the assassin?s lunch belongs to him. He obviously has to include the trip but at a bare minumium.....a few minutes....and well before the shots....about noon.....then he joins the others. This is what he tells the FBI Saturday.

Meanwhile Jarman is interviewed on Saturday by the FBI and tells nothing of the 5th floor at all. But his story is not inconsistent with Williams initial DPD affidavit the day before. In fact he mentions nothing about the 5th floor, just that they were all together. It is lacking in detail to cover Williams. In fact that this statement is untrue as Williams was not with them as jarman claimed. Williams was not been able to communicate the change in story to Jarman yet, so Jarman went with what they agreed to, not mention the 6th, in fact he didn?t even mention the 5th!!

[Howard Gee]

The "himself" means that Jarman was distancing himself from the 5th floor.

Why on earth would Jarman want to distance himself from the 5th floor ?

WTF ?

I thought the Stooge Conspiracy was Larry and Curly helping Moe to distance himself from the 6th floor.

This gets better and better.