I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)

[Tom Scully]

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Thomas Boyd: Lost Author of the "lost Generation"
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1931968330
Brian Bruce - 2006 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
the months passed Boyd contributed more material, but he would not ... Cornelius Van Ness, a young, wealthy St. Paul businessman who had an interest in .

Kilmarnock Books | MNopedia
www.mnopedia.org/place/kilmarnock-books
Aug 5, 2015 - The Kilmarnock Bookstore in downtown St. Paul brought writers and artists ... Its young owner was Cornelius Van Ness, a Harvard graduate who wanted to ... Van Ness arranged for Thomas Boyd, the young literary editor for the St. Paul ... F. Scott Fitzgerald, Carl Sandburg, Willa Cather, and Sinclair Lewis.

James Cogswell Engaged to Wed Nancy Van Ness ? Scarsdale ...
https://news.hrvh.org/veridian/cgi-bin/senylrc?a=d&d=scarsdaleinquire19430813.2.101
James Cogswell Engaged to Wed Nancy Van Ness. Mr. and Mrs. Cornelius W. Van Ness of New Canaan, Connecticut, and Prospect Harbor. Maine, have ...

Lt. Jas. K. Cogswell And Miss Van Ness Married Saturday ...
https://news.hrvh.org/veridian/cgi-bin/senylrc?a=d&d=scarsdaleinquire19450309.2.126
K. Cogswell And Miss Van Ness Married Saturday [ARTICLE] ... to Miss Nancy Van Ness of the Spars, daughter 1 of Mr and Mrs. Cornelius W. Van Ness of New ...

Consider this.... why did Cogswell III just happen to inject Joseph F Dryer into "the mix" if Bagley's take is reliable?

http://jfkforum.com/2017/10/
OCTOBER 1, 2017
Are we there yet? Part II
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https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84&relPageId=64&search=cogswell_aunt%20dryer
1. HSCA Report, Volume XII, pg 60
Found in: HSCA Appendix Volumes
Jack Cogswell of Palm Beach. According to Cogswell, he ran into Joseph Dryer, who is a stockbroker with Loeb & Rhodes & Co. in Palm Beach and Dryer offered
offered informa- tion about George de Mohrenschildt.(172) Dryer told Cogswell that when he knew de Mohrenshchildt in Haiti, de Mohrenschildt's behav- ior
ior was "strange" and included following people in his car. (173) Dryer related that de Mohrenschildt was associated with a man named Charles who was the

Ten days after the alleged attempt on the life of Gen. Edwin Walker, Joseph Dryer and Tom Devine held seperate
meetings on same day in NYC with George DeM and Clemard Charles. Dryer claimed he received a heads up that
the secretary accompanying DeM and Charles was CIA affiliated.

(Here comes uncle Ernie to guide you to your very own machine. See me....feel me,,,,)

http://jfkfacts.org/mellen-defends-jim-garrison/#comment-122126
Tom Scully
October 20, 2013 at 4:43 am
Joan Mellen has been ahead of the curve. In January, 2007, despite not knowing that George Bush?s oil exploration partner, foreign affairs and political advisor, Thomas J. Devine was a schoolmate of Joseph and Peter Dryer at a small private Rochester K-12 school prior to the Dryer brothers spending their final three prep school years at Choate Academy, and also not knowing that Devine was one of 16 Sigma Chi fraternity housemates from 1944 to 1948, along with Priscilla Johnson?s CIA contact, Garry Coit, Joan Mellen gave a presentation including this.:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,9126.msg268265.html#msg268265
???There are powerful reasons why George H. W. Bush was motivated to invoke the Warren Report, even, amazingly, to refer to a ?conspiracy theorist,? as if that designation would at once banish some truths he does not want available. Only two degrees of separation separate George H. W. Bush from Oswald himself??This CIA document reveals that Thomas Devine had informed George Bush of a CIA project with the cryptonym WUBRINY/LPDICTUM. It involved CIA proprietary commercial operations in foreign countries.?

Smoke, Tommy? Angleton never passed up a similar offer, and he spread it until we were all overcome by it!

[Tom Scully]

Tom,

So I take it that you don't want to read Tennent H. Bagley's works (although John M. Newman has, and has been sufficiently convinced by them to conclude that Golitsyn was a true defector after all, and Nosenko a false one) for the simple reason that he (Bagley) mighta been kinda maybe almost tangentially virtually involved in some really, really, really ... gasp ... evil, evil, evil program of the CIA?

If that's the case, then it certainly must be okay if I don't lend Mark Lane much credence, since he, according to The Mitrokhin Archive, was partially subsidized by the CPUSA to cast aspersions on the Warren Commission Report, and especially since his sugar-daddy CPUSA was, in turn, subsidized by the Soviet Union.

Or do you think The Mitrokhin Archive was an elaborate deception by the evil, evil, evil CIA?

LOL
Tom Scully reply: YUP

-- Tommy   


PS.. I tried to paste this EF thread here, but to no avail.

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PPS..  Funny, I thought i asked you about "Byetkov*?".
Oh, well.

https://www.scribd.com/document/203442074/James-Angleton-CIA-Documents

[Thomas Graves]

Tom,

Ironically, The Mitrokhin Archive is much more likely to be an elaborate KGB/FSB deception than a CIA one,  But alas, you'd have to read Bagley's "Spy Wars" to know what I'm talking about ...

Regarding your Scribd author's or JFK researcher's or government funtionary's third-person description of Angleton's June 19, 1975, Church Committee testimony, if you'd look at the original transcript (see below), you'd see that somebody hand-wrote a "?" above the name Byetkov, indicating that no one by that name was known to the powers-that-be, which in-an-of-itself suggests that the name was probably mis-spelled by the stenographer/court reporter/transcriber. (Interestingly, this poor soul had a terrible time spelling Nikolai Leonov's name and some other Russian names correctly throughout the transcript.) Since Angleton suggests in this testimony (and goes into much greater detail for five or six pages in his February 9, 1976, testimony -- in which he refers to this triple-agent as "another hangnail" without mentioning his name), that this person was a triple agent in Mexico City, and that he was probably feeding disinformation to the CIA from Kostikov, it makes sense that "Byetkov*?" was non other than the Soviet Embassy security guard, Ivan Obyedkov (pronounced ahh-bee-ED-cough), who "volunteered" the radioactive (Department 13!) name "Kostikov" to Oswald, or, more likely, to Oswald's (KGB?  DGI?) impersonator, over the surely-known-to-be-tapped Sov Emb phone on 10/01/63, thereby effectively planting the Kremlin-coveringup WW III Virus in Oswald's CIA file.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1447&search=Angleton#relPageId=16&tab=page

PS:  Bill Simpich agrees with me that this triple-agent "Byetkov*?" must me Obyedkov.

...

A personal note, now, Tom --

Tom, I've always found your "research" to be very tenuous, very thought-associative, very laboured, very scattered, very exhausting, very obsessive, very tendentious, very seven-degrees-of-separationish, very boring, and, yes, even very ...... aww ... never mind.

Suffice it to say that I will engage you no further here, or anywhere else.

(I don't want to encourage or enable your obviously very serious ... aww ... never mind.)


-- Tommy 

[Thomas Graves]

Tom "The Infallible; Set In Cement" Scully,

I don't trust Christopher Andrew (nor fwiw, Oleg Kalugin, totally), myself.

Know why?

Because he seems to think Nosenko was a true defector,  that's  why.  LOL!

(Among other things.)

Good luck with your interminable genealogy and obituary and wedding announcement-based "research," Tom.

Bye, bye. Keep up the good work.

(Vladimir Putin and Julian Assassange absolutely adore you for what you do -- increasing demand for tinfoil yugely, and paving the way for more factchecking-free "elections".)

LOL?

-- Tommy 

[Rob Caprio]

Rob,

Why should I make things super-easy for you by trying to paraphrase, in fifty-words-or-less, what Mark Riebling and true-defector Pyotr Deryabin (ever heard of him?) say were excellent reasons for Nikita Krushchev's assassinating President Kennedy (with or without the help of Fidel Castro)?

Click on the link I provided, read the book (or at least the one page I pointed out to you), and then try to rebut what Riebling says.

It'll be good for you, and you might even learn something!

Or, if you prefer, avoid that information and that "take," and continue right along in ... well, ignorance ..., and continue to unwittingly spread the injurious products of "KGB" "active measures" and "operational deception" ops.

(You'll have to read Bagley's book "Spy Wars" (for free on the Internet) if you want to understand what those two forms of Russian counterintelligence operations are all about, and how the former has been so effective against our country and our allies for eighty-plus years, and especially after it was augmented -- by a kind of feedback system -- by the latter in 1959.)


--  Tommy   

PS  As to just two of the things the Kremlin got out of "it", I give you fifty years of dumbing-down and paranoia-inducing Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theories ("scoops" and "intel" gleefully provided over the years by the Ruskies; mostly revolving around the evil, evil, evil CIA, of course; on all SORTS of subjects), and the concomitant eventual installing of Russian Mobbed-Up "useful idiot" Donald Trump as our president by "former" KGB Counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin, and his lackey-agent, Julian Assange.

So you are offering peoples' opinions. Got it. This is just your opinion. That is fine, but it is just an opinion.

[Thomas Graves]

Rob,

"JFK was killed by the evil, evil, evil CIA because he was threatening to pull U.S. forces out of South Vietnam, and was secretly improving relations with Fidel Castro, etc, etc, etc."

Fact or opinion?

Regardless, how many uncontested, established facts about the assassination can you offer us?

LOL

-- Tommy

[Rob Caprio]

Rob,

"JFK was killed by the evil, evil, evil CIA because he was threatening to pull U.S. forces out of South Vietnam, and was secretly improving relations with Fidel Castro, etc, etc, etc."

Fact or opinion?

Regardless, how many uncontested, established facts about the assassination can you offer us?

LOL

-- Tommy

This makes me wonder about you as I have NOT given my opinion about who was involved in this thread. So where did I say this?

JFK was killed by the evil, evil, evil CIA because he was threatening to pull U.S. forces out of South Vietnam, and was secretly improving relations with Fidel Castro, etc, etc, etc.

Why are you attributing this to me? Either quote me saying this or admit that you are using dishonest tactics.

Typical LNer tactic. *You* claimed that the Russians and the KGB were involved in the murder of JFK, but instead of supporting that you are trying to but the burden on me. That is very dishonest.

It is clear that you are just offering an opinion.